I Thes 5:22

[Heleadethme]

3 minutes ago, simplejeff said:

RIGHT !  RIGHT ! RIGHT !  Yes, yes, yes indeed.   You are correct - anything can become an idol.

Thus, "anything" that IS AN IDOL,  is what the true christians have been warning you about - the idols that you serve and cannot avoid in catholicism.

So what makes it so hard for you to repent of idol-ism inherent in catholic-ism ?

Why does the idolatry required from rome keep you chained up ?

Is it just because of how long they have kept you in darkness ? (as if you are just a victim, instead of a perpetrator too)

Some old people ,  in nursing homes,  in hospices,  or just in home care ,

do not think they can be saved from their "care" takers , even if the "care" takers are idolatrous evil doers.

YAHWEH PROVIDED A WAY.  .... even when it seems there is no way.....

And just following along as best I can with the whole conversation, I can't help but think that what all cults have in common is simply that the people follow a man rather than the Living God and Living Christ Jesus alone.  Which is very antichrist and of course is going to ultimately lead to THE Antichrist.  It is incredible the lengths that people will go to in following a mere man, it is a bottomless pit that just shows how strong those bondages become entrenched in their minds.......mass suicides, pogroms, cruel persecutions, even letting their own children die for lack of medical care, etc

Praise God that He did provide a way out of all such bondages, as you are saying brother, and that way is through His Spirit which was poured out through the shed Blood and broken Body of our precious Lord.

[Guest Butero]

14 hours ago, OldSchool2 said:

Catholics and other Christians sometimes venerate certain saints above others, not unlike the way you hold the KJV above all other translations.

There is a greater issue here than holding to one translation of the Bible above others.  In order to hold to your view, we don't have a fully reliable English Bible.  That is why people like you will claim one translation got this right, while another said this better.  You have no confidence in any Bible to be 100 percent correct, therefore you can claim to believe it is the Word of God, while at the same time rejecting things it says.  

Catholics go further than "other Christians."  They actually say one person is a saint because they say so.  Other Christians may notice the multitude of good deeds one person has done that has exceeded what others have, but they never go to the point of deciding who is a saint.  Only Jesus has the authority to do that.  

[Guest Butero]

14 hours ago, OldSchool2 said:

One day we'll all see who anti-Catholic bigots work for.

I welcome that day.  We will also see how those who have attacked God's true followers are dealt with, as well as those who have attacked the reliability of his Word in the KJV Bible.  

[Guest Butero]

14 hours ago, OldSchool2 said:

Kosher food laws have nothing to do with those seven sins, which BTW are probably Greek in origin.

That is not what I asked you.  You seem to be fine with violating actual New Testament scripture because you are saying you are saved by grace.  Are you also ok with violating the seven deadly sins recognized by the Catholic Church because you are saved by grace?  

[Guest Butero]

On ‎11‎/‎8‎/‎2017 at 8:43 AM, Running Gator said:

The appearance of something, including if it appears evil is all in the eye of the beholder.   You do not think it is possible that people saw from the distance Jesus speaking with a woman on her fifth husband (if I remember correctly) and started to gossip about it?    If a man having a meal with a woman in a public place gives the appearance of evil (which I have been told 100 times does) then standing there in a public spot speaking to that woman would be a similar situation. 

Let me ask you this, if you were seen standing on the street corner speaking to a woman with a poor reputation, do you think that might cause people to gossip? 

This is the problem with this verse being about appearances, if you make it about appearances then you are allowing other humans to dictate your actions instead of God.  

I started this thread because of the "Spouse vs Friend" thread and some of the comments in there.  At least on male in that thread stated he would not even stop and give a ride to woman he knew that was stranded on the side of the road with car issues due to how he views this verse.   I find that absurd and totally the opposite of what Christ would do.

I find it interesting that you view a disagreement with the KJV as an attack on it.   You disagree with me, does that mean you are attacking me?  Why would you consider me disagree with this word in the KJV as an attack? 

You know what is really interesting, I started this same thread on "Christianforums.com" using almost the exact same words and not a single person was offended and not a single person accused anyone of attacking anything.  Some agreed with my view, some did not.    But on this forum we have 36 pages of people going back and forth about things that have nothing to do with the topic and most of them are just attacking each other.   Why does that happen here?

 

For the record, I don't care how many times you have been told talking to a woman of poor reputation in a public place is an appearance of evil, I never said that once, and don't agree.  You can hash that one out with others.  I never said if a woman I knew was stranded, I wouldn't give her a ride because it was an appearance of evil.  I don't believe that to be so.  I think leaving her stranded would look far worse and be far worse.  You can hash that one out with whoever said it.  

So this came out of another thread?  Thanks for that.  I know where you are coming from now.  Any comment made that says the KJV got something wrong is an attack on it.  How could it be otherwise?  It is stating it is wrong.  My position is that the KJV Bible is 100 percent reliable.  There is nothing wrong, so when it says to avoid the appearance of evil, that is what it means.  Yes, we may disagree over what is the appearance of evil, but we know what it means to us as an individual.  As such, if I see something as having the appearance of evil, I will try to avoid doing it.  I would be fine with talking to a woman in a public place.  I would be fine with picking up anyone, male or female, that was stranded.  I once picked up a neighbor that was going into town so he wouldn't have to walk.  He had lost his license, and I had to deal with the smell of beer on his breath all the way, so I don't see helping a brother or sister, neighbor or friend out as an appearance of evil.  

Have we gone off on different subjects?  No doubt we have, but when the OP says the KJV Bible got something wrong, and it starts a debate on Bible translations, that is not really going off subject.  It is a reason to disagree with the OP.  Why wasn't anyone offended at the other web-site?  Obviously it had to do with the people involved.  There are probably more KJV only believers here than at the other site.  There is likely more diversity of opinions here than at the other site.  You can begin on one topic with one thing in mind, but say something in the OP that opens up a flood gate.  That is what happened here.  The Catholic issues also began because of the Bible translation issue, because the Catholic member uses the NIV.  I find that strange, since it doesn't contain the entire Catholic canon, and I also find it strange he lifts up the NIV partly because Jehovah's Witnesses seem to like it, but all of this began over that one comment you made about the KJV Bible getting something wrong.  

[Guest Butero]

On ‎11‎/‎2‎/‎2017 at 7:50 AM, Running Gator said:

Most version of the bible transalte I Thes 5:22 this way...

Abstain from every form of evil.

Out of all the major translations, only the KJV translates it as such...

Abstain from all appearance of evil.

Based upon the context of the rest of the chapter, it is my view that the KJV folks got it wrong.

The 2nd part of the chapter in which this verse falls in is all about actions, not appearances.  

 

I want to return to your OP, only for the sake of understanding, so your mind won't be troubled trying to figure out why the controversy.  Had you begun this thread talking about how some people have taken this verse wrong, to the point of not even talking to a woman in public or giving her a ride, and you didn't get into this Bible translation issue, I wouldn't have posted anything in this thread.  I would have stayed out of it.  Had Old School not attacked the KJV Bible and gone off defending the NIV, I wouldn't have gotten into all the back and forth over the RCC.  This thread would have taken a completely different direction.  You opened up a can of worms when you made it about Bible translations rather than people taking the meaning of the verse wrong.  

[Running Gator]

20 minutes ago, Butero said:

...Any comment made that says the KJV got something wrong is an attack on it.  How could it be otherwise?  It is stating it is wrong.  ...

This is a fascinating mindset to me.  So, if you say something is wrong, that is an attack on that thing.   So, when you tell me I am wrong for saying the KJV got it wrong, you are attacking me?  Is that correct?  And you think when I tell you that you got something wrong, that I am attacking you?  Is that correct?

[Running Gator]

15 minutes ago, Butero said:

I want to return to your OP, only for the sake of understanding, so your mind won't be troubled trying to figure out why the controversy.  Had you begun this thread talking about how some people have taken this verse wrong, to the point of not even talking to a woman in public or giving her a ride, and you didn't get into this Bible translation issue, I wouldn't have posted anything in this thread.  I would have stayed out of it.  Had Old School not attacked the KJV Bible and gone off defending the NIV, I wouldn't have gotten into all the back and forth over the RCC.  This thread would have taken a completely different direction.  You opened up a can of worms when you made it about Bible translations rather than people taking the meaning of the verse wrong.  

I think people get this verse wrong because the KJV got it wrong.  Had the KJV translated it as form vice appearance then there would not no controversy. 

[Heleadethme]

5 minutes ago, Butero said:

Most version of the bible transalte I Thes 5:22 this way...

Abstain from every form of evil.

Out of all the major translations, only the KJV translates it as such...

Abstain from all appearance of evil.

Based upon the context of the rest of the chapter, it is my view that the KJV folks got it wrong.

The 2nd part of the chapter in which this verse falls in is all about actions, not appearances.  

I agree with Running Gator's take on this......except I'm not sure the KJV got it wrong, but just a different understanding of the word appearance than the one meaning in usage today.

By the way, here is where the disciples eyebrows were raised when Jesus was sitting in conversation with the Samaritan woman at the well....it gives a little insight into the culture of the day........they questioned Jesus in their mind but didn't go so far as to challenge Him.

John 4:26

Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.

John 4:27

And upon this came his disciples, and marvelled that he talked with the woman: yet no man said, What seekest thou? or, Why talkest thou with her?

How wonderful that the gospel sets us free from such bondage .....OT days reminds me of Islam, though probably not as harsh in some ways at least.

 

 

[simplejeff]

36 minutes ago, Heleadethme said:

.OT days reminds me of Islam, though probably not as harsh in some ways at least.

This is so sad.  Let nothing of the truth remind anyone of pagan religions ,

but think on Yahweh's Word, pure, holy, set apart, perfect in judgment and in mercy, 

Yahweh's Word - LIGHT for the soul for all those who love Him, who are called according to His Plan and Purpose.