I Thes 5:22

[simplejeff]

44 minutes ago, Running Gator said:

I think people get this verse wrong because the KJV got it wrong.  Had the KJV translated it as form vice appearance then there would not no controversy. 

Actually, when and all the time when Yahweh grants understanding of Scripture,  KJV or other,

it is Yahweh's Meaning Yahweh grants,  not man's , as His Word Says Clearly, and as experienced in Jesus,

so there is no controversy world wide among those who receive Yahweh's understanding.

Yahweh does not have conflicting nor contradicting thoughts.

[frienduff thaylorde]

3 hours ago, OldSchool2 said:

Somehow I don't think that the reward for religious bigotry is eternal life.

Old school.   I am not being a bigot when  I warn you about Francis.   nor interfaith.

The only way any of us is going to truly KNOW whether our denomination or non denomination is OF GOD and truly teaches the whole rightly divided truth

UNLESS one is made wise in the HOLY scrips FIRST given us from the true ones long ago who actually knew and walked with Christ.

Jehovas think they are right, Mormons think they are , catholics think they are , Baptists think they are ,Calvinists think they are.

And all will say WE KNOW we are right because we HAVE the HOLY SPIRIT.     but if all these groups contradict each others teachings .  THEN Truly HOW can they be right.

They will all give the same response.   THE SPIRIT and it put me under men or leaders like these.   YET again they do not agree and teach contradictions  .

Each group holds to beliefs set by leaders .  each one says they are right , and yet each side says and points out errors in the other side.

SO HOW are we going to truly KNOW who is right and who is misled.    They would say well our leaders are appointed FROM GOD

jehovas Mormons catholics all do this.  SO HOW do we KNOW who is right and in fact WHO is in error and HOW to help those in error.

I mean as  I said many in those groups say the same things WE FOLLOW THE HOLY SPIRIT , if this were not true we would know .  BUT HOW are Mormons RIGHT

HOW.  yet they say this too.   the one common thing  in all these groups IS THIS.    MEN , men have made themselves out to be SUPERIOR to the bible

the Mormons and jehovas and others even have their own doctrines and beliefs which reign supreme in their eyes.

even Adventists and others who claim the bible as the Authority have still done this too.   they say it is........yet cling to leaders long dead , even when their leaders

were dead wrong .    THEIR is a simple solution.      RETURN to the true words IN the bible OF the ones who were WITH HIM and HIS OWN words.

eat of those , feast on it .     AND indeed those pure scrips will make one wise unto salvation.

Also jehovas , Mormons and catholics also say this...................their attack is on BIBLE translations and ACCURACY,   making statements like its erroneous in areas.

BUT this allows the leader who teaches that . TO BRING IN HIS OWN CHANGES and he will claim he works under the influence of GOD.

The result is to get THEIR TRUST and loyalty to his belief.   the effect is many fall away , many different denominations , all divided and the house FALLS.

JESUS was serious when he said ,   HIS Sayings are essential to the FOUNDATOIN , what FOUNDATION we build on is WHO we stand on.

IS it the foundation built by men and their doctrines which is sinking sand..........or is it JESUS , his sayings , and the apostles KNEW HIM , walked with HIM

and taught HIS PATTERN.    we better all wake up and FOLLOW only Christ and read ONLY the bible  , for many false spirits abound and teach many things

which they ought not for gains sake .  

[Running Gator]

1 minute ago, simplejeff said:

Actually, when and all the time when Yahweh grants understanding of Scripture,  KJV or other,

it is Yahweh's Meaning Yahweh grants,  not man's , as His Word Says Clearly, and as experienced in Jesus,

so there is no controversy world wide among those who receive Yahweh's understanding.

Yahweh does not have conflicting nor contradicting thoughts.

I agree with this (I think)   In my opinion much of the battle between the KJV and non-KJV is due to individual verses being taken as stand alone ideas.  

I have often said that the worst thing to ever happen to the Bible was man adding verse numbering (if not chapter and verses).  Because these exist people take individual sentences out of the bible and use them in a way they would never do with any other book. 

With the verse in question, if one were to read the whole chapter without the verses added I believe they would come to the same conclusion of what the passage is saying whether they read it in the KJV or the ESV.

[Guest Butero]

1 hour ago, Running Gator said:

This is a fascinating mindset to me.  So, if you say something is wrong, that is an attack on that thing.   So, when you tell me I am wrong for saying the KJV got it wrong, you are attacking me?  Is that correct?  And you think when I tell you that you got something wrong, that I am attacking you?  Is that correct?

The Bible is the inerrant Word of God.  To say it is wrong is not the same as saying I got something wrong.  God is perfect.  If you attack God for a commandment you don't like, that is not the same as challenging the view of an imperfect person.

[frienduff thaylorde]

1 hour ago, Heleadethme said:

I agree with Running Gator's take on this......except I'm not sure the KJV got it wrong, but just a different understanding of the word appearance than the one meaning in usage today.

By the way, here is where the disciples eyebrows were raised when Jesus was sitting in conversation with the Samaritan woman at the well....it gives a little insight into the culture of the day........they questioned Jesus in their mind but didn't go so far as to challenge Him.

John 4:26

Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.

John 4:27

And upon this came his disciples, and marvelled that he talked with the woman: yet no man said, What seekest thou? or, Why talkest thou with her?

How wonderful that the gospel sets us free from such bondage .....OT days reminds me of Islam, though probably not as harsh in some ways at least.

 

 

The old test law is beautiful FORGOD ALONE IS THE JUDGE OF IT .  all things written in the law are TRUTH and pure .

Every disobedience deserves the death the law says.   ONLY , what man does not understand is..............HEY man,    WE ALL SINNED according to the law

We all deserve the death sentence it says.    But man.............their is a SAVOIR who has paid the price. AND shows us how to SEEE the law.

as in WE have no right to JUDGE THE LAW by acting OUT the sentence.  ONLY HE WHO KNOWS NO SIN DOES.  and ,   man that sure aint us.

JESUS came toshow man how to SEE the law the right way.   to set us free from the power of darkness of sin , to pay the price of those sins

and to show us WHO ALONE is WORTHY to JUDGE  THE LAW ,    and it sure aint a single one of us .  for all have sinned .  NOT GOD , HE ALONE IS JUDGE

of this pure and holy law.     We just warn others who are in error and do the pattern JESUS taught concerning correction .

Islam may have parts of the law they do teach...........BUT NOT A ONE KEEPS IT , THEY JUDGE THE LAW as though GOD HIMSELF and act out the death sentences.

that and they follow a false god .     The jews have the right law , like us they worship the same GOD , BUT and this IS dire to KNOW

They worship him in ignorance and till they come to CHRIST , they too have no hope.   

[frienduff thaylorde]

3 minutes ago, Butero said:

The Bible is the inerrant Word of God.  To say it is wrong is not the same as saying I got something wrong.  God is perfect.  If you attack God for a commandment you don't like, that is not the same as challenging the view of an imperfect person.

Any man who speaks evil of the law , has become judge of the law.    YEAH ,   I know butero , we both KNOW ONLY GOD ALONE IS JUDGE

and thus IFthey do this ,   that end wont be well at all,   

the law is holy and good .   Every word of God is pure and lovely.   He who speaks evil of the words of GOD , speaks evil OF GOD HIMSELF who spoke those WORDS.

SCARY HUH.  BUT TRUE .   

[Guest Butero]

1 hour ago, Running Gator said:

I think people get this verse wrong because the KJV got it wrong.  Had the KJV translated it as form vice appearance then there would not no controversy. 

The KJV translated it that way, because that was the correct interpretation.  The error lies with the other translations.

[Running Gator]

7 minutes ago, Butero said:

The Bible is the inerrant Word of God.  To say it is wrong is not the same as saying I got something wrong.  God is perfect.  If you attack God for a commandment you don't like, that is not the same as challenging the view of an imperfect person.

Yes, the Bible is the inerrant Word of God.  Any version of if that man is involved in is not perfect, as man is not perfect.  

[frienduff thaylorde]

That is HOW dangerous it is to twist JESUS sayings.

You go around and make void his teachings, you are making VOID the ONE WHO FIRST SPOKE THEM.

And if you DENY HIM..........what do you suppose happens at your end.....................DENIED by the one YOU DENIED.

TRULY it is time to flee many men who have sat in many a pulpit and made VOID remarriage , self defense , swearing , and all things HE SAID.

Deny HIM , HE denies YOU.        LET us return to BIBLE ONLY READING  my friends , to BIBLE ONLY READING and FOLLOW CHRIST .

[Running Gator]

1 minute ago, Butero said:

The KJV translated it that way, because that was the correct interpretation.  The error lies with the other translations.

I understand that is your opinion, but it is just that, an opinion.