I Thes 5:22

[simplejeff]

On 11/2/2017 at 6:50 AM, Running Gator said:

Most version of the bible transalte I Thes 5:22 this way...

Abstain from every form of evil.

Out of all the major translations, only the KJV translates it as such...

Abstain from all appearance of evil.

Based upon the context of the rest of the chapter, it is my view that the KJV folks got it wrong.

The 2nd part of the chapter in which this verse falls in is all about actions, not appearances.  

 

When from Yahweh someone understands 1 Thes 5:22, 

when Yahweh grants the understanding - when He removes the veil (as ONLY HE can do),

it doesn't matter which translation someone reads here given,

and the KJV  is no more wrong than any other translation  IN ENGLISH.

It is NOT VITAL in english,  nor is it reliable in english, if someone trusts man's ways, the flesh, and definitions in english.

What is VITAL ?   Search this out:  (it is difficult, EVEN with all the internet resources)   "Echad"

It is difficult to find any english translation the correct meaning,or at least few ever find it.

Less than one in a thousand people ever hear or learn or understand it. (The meaning, which IS VITAL)

So most people both practice what is wrong,  and appear to practice what is wrong,  EVERY DAY.

That's what is written in God's Word.

(While a few, who find the narrow road to life,  do as it is written, as Jesus says, following Him even to death with no fear of death and no doubt, no [lasting] depression even at all (rather continual fullness of RIGHTEOUSNESS, PEACE AND JOY as WRITTEN) )

[frienduff thaylorde]

4 hours ago, OldSchool2 said:

But isn't Jesus Jewish?

THE JEWS ONLY worship the same GOD we do.  But make no mistake, if they know not CHRIST , they do it IGNORANTLY in unbelief.

their will be not even eternal life for them , IF they REJECT the SON .    Now arise and start warning folks against INTEFAITH , it truly is of satan.

 

[Heleadethme]

1 hour ago, simplejeff said:

This is so sad.  Let nothing of the truth remind anyone of pagan religions ,

but think on Yahweh's Word, pure, holy, set apart, perfect in judgment and in mercy, 

Yahweh's Word - LIGHT for the soul for all those who love Him, who are called according to His Plan and Purpose.

I'm just talking about the culture and traditions of the day and what the rabbis had made of the truth, maybe in particular after it became mixed after the BAbylon captivity in particular........women and men not allowed to talk to one another unless they were related......I think the women had to wear their head covered all the time too.  Islam has borrowed some things from the bible, though of course not in spirit, and perverting it all.  A society under Christ is a lot more innocent and free, not in bondage to the Law or any kind of religiosity.  The Law was bondage, slavery.........though it was good, as a tutor to lead to Christ. 

[simplejeff]

5 hours ago, OldSchool2 said:

But isn't Jesus Jewish?

PERFECTLY !   He is KING OF THE JEWS !

But why did you ask ?   With a good or with a bad reason ?

[Heleadethme]

1 hour ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

The old test law is beautiful FORGOD ALONE IS THE JUDGE OF IT .  all things written in the law are TRUTH and pure .

Every disobedience deserves the death the law says.   ONLY , what man does not understand is..............HEY man,    WE ALL SINNED according to the law

We all deserve the death sentence it says.    But man.............their is a SAVOIR who has paid the price. AND shows us how to SEEE the law.

as in WE have no right to JUDGE THE LAW by acting OUT the sentence.  ONLY HE WHO KNOWS NO SIN DOES.  and ,   man that sure aint us.

JESUS came toshow man how to SEE the law the right way.   to set us free from the power of darkness of sin , to pay the price of those sins

and to show us WHO ALONE is WORTHY to JUDGE  THE LAW ,    and it sure aint a single one of us .  for all have sinned .  NOT GOD , HE ALONE IS JUDGE

of this pure and holy law.     We just warn others who are in error and do the pattern JESUS taught concerning correction .

Islam may have parts of the law they do teach...........BUT NOT A ONE KEEPS IT , THEY JUDGE THE LAW as though GOD HIMSELF and act out the death sentences.

that and they follow a false god .     The jews have the right law , like us they worship the same GOD , BUT and this IS dire to KNOW

They worship him in ignorance and till they come to CHRIST , they too have no hope.   

I agree brother..........rest assured, I'm not criticizing the law.  It's what men made of it that I was talking about...culture and traditions of men.  Also the fact that the Law was bondage which we are set free from in Christ.  Might not be for no reason that Hagar the mother of Ishmael represented the Law and the Jerusalem that is not above.....and now we see similarities in her descendants and Islam.  Might also explain why Judaism and Islam will find some common ground within the ecumenical interfaith movement, along with Catholicism which mass is a picture of the OT priests ministering at the altar.....robes, incense, showbread, formal liturgy, etc.  Many catholic nuns wear what are essentially burkas under another name...habits.  All very interesting, hmmmm.......though I guess a topic for another thread.

[Heleadethme]

Here are the definitions of the Greek word "eidos" translated as "appearance" in the blueletterbible site    https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G1491&t=KJV...........so it can mean appearance as well as form, shape, so i don't believe that can be considered an error of translation in the KJV.  But the word "appearance" can mean EITHER outward appearance, OR appearance in the sense of being, like someone made an appearance at your party, ie, they came, they manifested themselves, they showed up.

The reason i don't believe we are to understand that verse in the sense of outward appearance is because Jesus Himself did not concern Himself with outward appearance and would have been in violation of that understanding of scripture many times.  So I believe the verse is saying we are to not let evil appear or show up in our lives.......and as has been pointed out that agrees and makes sense with the whole context.   Just trying to reiterate that in case I am being misunderstood.....dont know how else to explain it, so I have to leave it at that.

[Guest shiloh357]

51 minutes ago, Heleadethme said:

The reason i don't believe we are to understand that verse in the sense of outward appearance is because Jesus Himself did not concern Himself with outward appearance and would have been in violation of that understanding of scripture many times.  So I believe the verse is saying we are to not let evil appear or show up in our lives.......and as has been pointed out that agrees and makes sense with the whole context.   Just trying to reiterate that in case I am being misunderstood.....dont know how else to explain it, so I have to leave it at that.

There is nothing in the Bible that suggests that Jesus didn't care about outward appearance.  That is a value that you are assigning to Him, not based in Scripture, but solely on your subjective imagination about Jesus.  YOU don't care about appearance, and it appears you projecting that on to Jesus without biblical sanction.

[Guest Butero]

42 minutes ago, Heleadethme said:

Here are the definitions of the Greek word "eidos" translated as "appearance" in the blueletterbible site    https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G1491&t=KJV...........so it can mean appearance as well as form, shape, so i don't believe that can be considered an error of translation in the KJV.  But the word "appearance" can mean EITHER outward appearance, OR appearance in the sense of being, like someone made an appearance at your party, ie, they came, they manifested themselves, they showed up.

The reason i don't believe we are to understand that verse in the sense of outward appearance is because Jesus Himself did not concern Himself with outward appearance and would have been in violation of that understanding of scripture many times.  So I believe the verse is saying we are to not let evil appear or show up in our lives.......and as has been pointed out that agrees and makes sense with the whole context.   Just trying to reiterate that in case I am being misunderstood.....dont know how else to explain it, so I have to leave it at that.

First of all, thank you for taking the time to look that up in the Greek.  My Greek Dictionary is at home, and I planned to look it up on the weekend, but you saved me the trouble.  When you are doing a translation, you are supposed to use the English word that corresponds to the original language, and clearly the KJV translators did just that, so no, it was not a mistake.  Using the right word according to the definition is not a mistake.

I do understand what you are saying, but I don't necessarily believe that Jesus didn't concern himself with how something appears.  He never said that was the case.  He was leading by example.  He is the great "I Am" according to his own mouth, which means he was the author of the law of Moses.  He knew what the laws really meant, as opposed to how they appeared to the religious leaders.  Following the law according to original intent is not the appearance of evil, unless a person hates God's laws and sees them as being evil.  As such, I don't believe Jesus would have violated that instruction.  To me, it simply means we are to be careful to avoid doing things that will harm our testimony.  I realize some people will look at this different and it will cause one person to act one way and another in a different manner, but we all have our conscience before God, and we know what this means to us, plus we have the Holy Spirit to guide us into all truth.  

I do want to say one more thing about this thread.  It should be very instructional.  I have been warning people all along that the real deception behind the modern English translations is how one can claim to believe the Bible is the Word of God, yet disregard things they don't like by translation shopping.  What happened here?  

1.  In another thread, it was debated that we shouldn't do things that have an appearance of evil.

2.  One person objected to that idea, so he looked to different translations to see how they were worded. (translation shopping)

3.  He found that other translations didn't say things the same way, so now he could openly claim the KJV Bible was wrong and we don't have to shun the appearance of evil, making the command of God of none effect.  

This goes on all the time today.  This is a major reason I hold to one translation as being full reliable, the KJV Bible.  Whatever it says I fully trust.  If it disagrees with modern translations, I go with the KJV Bible every single time, no exceptions.  

[simplejeff]

1 Thessalonians V:16-22

"................ ALWAYS BE REJOICING

...................... BE PRAYING UNCEASINGLY

........ In everything be giving thanks,

 

for this IS THE WILL OF GOD in CHRIST JESUS for you.

STOP stifling and suppressing the SPIRIT. 

STOP counting as nothing DIVINE REVELATIONS given IN the local ASSEMBLY by the one who receives them,

but

BE PUTTING ALL THINGS TO THE TEST [test EVERYTHING]

for the PURPOSE of approving them  AND FINDING they meet the REQUIREMENTS put your approval on them.....[positive expections, subject to and in Jesus by His Word]

BE CONSTANTLY HOLDING FAST [hold tight, never let go] that which is GOOD.

BE HOLDING YOURSELVES BACK [WILLINGLY DO THIS] FROM EVERY FORM of perniciousness. "

 

[OldSchool2]

8 hours ago, shiloh357 said:

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Nope, and you really don't know what you're talking about.

I know that anyone who "spiritualizes" Jesus' sacrifice as demonstrated during the Last Supper is a Gnostic.