Born again as opposed to born into Christianity.

[Mike Mclees]

We should not have to proving anything to any one. If we go to church it should come with a need to find God and HIs purpose for life, my life. I was desperate. He did not change my circumstances but my determination and Gods Spirit kept me going. I went as myself and not to impress anyone.  

[Your closest friendnt]

On 12/7/2017 at 10:51 PM, Justmemyselfandi said:

 

 

Forgive me if I've used the wrong terminology here. I am unsure of that.

I sometimes think that those Christians who come to Christ out of the world have a harder time acclimatizing and catigorizing what it is to be a Christian than those who were born and raised into Christianity. I think there is, at times an underlying need to prove their faith, even to fellow Christians  than those whose foundation in the faith was set by the parents of those who grew up in the faith.

As a result Born again Christian are more anxious and stressed out when dealing with issues of the faith. They may just be harder on some within the community for doing things outside the faith that they, themselves have done and project themselves on the perpetrators out of remorse for their history.

I don't know about some others, but I can get this way at times. It's like I have to prove I'm worthy and I don't know if doing so is a tell tale sign of some serious issue I have with myself or with the Holy Spirit.

Have other people gone through this or am I the fritzbrain in the community?

Jesus never sent his disciples with the commant "go and tell everyone in the world to be born again". 

No one needs to be born again to belong to Jesus Christ who is the Inheritor of Heaven, and the Judge of all, with or without anyones  consent. 

Mind you that we have many judges and our parents are one of them, together with our teachers and our relatives and friends, and everyone we come in contact with. 

To belong to Jesus Christ, and be a co-inheritor with him of Heaven, it is to believe in him that died for our sins and he give us pardon for our sins and the eternal life, and a place in Heaven. 

Keep in mind that Jesus Christ came to judge the devil and save mankind, as it was promish imediatly after the fall. 

"The seed of the woman will crush your head". 

 

[frienduff thaylorde]

6 hours ago, Mike Mclees said:

Because He is everything to me.   Is He everything to you? I pray He is.

That is beautiful Mike.   but HOW do you KNOW its GOD you love .   I am not saying YOU DONT

I am saying that many in false religions , like Mormons etc  say HE IS EVERYTHING TO THEM TOO.

HOW do you KNOW its the one true GOD you love and not just what your mind thinks is God.

ITs only something to make you think.  THEIR IS a answer . I PROMISE JESUS GIVES IT .  

Most people go their whole life thinking they just LOVE GOD .  but they never really knew him.  THEY loved something else , not GOD.

HOW do we KNOW we truly are loving GOD .    WHEN WE LOVE ALL THE SAYINGS OF JESUS , NONE of them are grievious

WE JUST LOVE THEM and LIVE THEM and never try and find a way around them.    IF a man LOVES ME , HE KEEPS MY SAYINGS

ANd HIS sayings........are RIGHT FROM THE FATHER .   so if we love not CHRIST we love not the FATHER .

PONDER THAT the next time a dark spirit stands in a pulpit and makes excuse for why it is okay to swear

ponder that the next time a dark spirit stands in a pulpit and says why ITS OKAY TO REMARRY

ponder that the next time a dark spirit says JESUS is not THE ONLY WAY , but muslims or buddits will be saved in their own relgion.

Ponder that the next time one says Gay marriage is love

ponder that the next time ....................get the point .  WE DO what we love and that is a fact .  

[frienduff thaylorde]

4 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Jesus never sent his disciples with the commant "go and tell everyone in the world to be born again". 

No one needs to be born again to belong to Jesus Christ who is the Inheritor of Heaven, and the Judge of all, with or without anyones  consent. 

Mind you that we have many judges and our parents are one of them, together with our teachers and our relatives and friends, and everyone we come in contact with. 

To belong to Jesus Christ, and be a co-inheritor with him of Heaven, it is to believe in him that died for our sins and he give us pardon for our sins and the eternal life, and a place in Heaven. 

Keep in mind that Jesus Christ came to judge the devil and save mankind, as it was promish imediatly after the fall. 

"The seed of the woman will crush your head". 

 

THISIS FALSE PROPOGANDA.   its a lie .     a lie .

JESUS said we must be born again.  LET NO MAN try and hinder the GOSPLE .  its ESSENTIAL.    no other mindset will save you o mankind . THIER is no other name under

heaven whereby anyone can be saved.  THIS is false what you say.   GO out and preach the gospel to all, to muslims  buddits , to all who KNOW NOT CHRIST

they must repent of their wicked religion of satan.  THEY must repent and believe in Christ , they must be born again.

YOU cease this , this instant .   this is not right .  paul, james , peter,   died to get the true gospel out and this generation does all to sit back and say NOTHING .

this is wrong .  this is all wrong .  TO everyone DO NOT BELIEVE  for a second that they must not be born again .  THEY MUST .   they must and

we must continue preaching the one true gospke which includes teaching ALLL things that he said .

[Your closest friendnt]

We must study the context of Jonh three, and look into the background of Nicodemus and to what he believed about the coming, the promise " Kingdom of God" which will come with the coming of the Christ, the Messiah. 

Nicodemus was a teacher of the Jewish Faith, and also a sholar of his time in matters of the promise of the coming Messiah, and the Kingdom of the Christ or God,which the Christ will bring, as the inheritor of the Throne of David, and his ruling forever. 

Nicodemous beliefs about the "Kingdom of God", were also the beliefs of the jewish nation, even the disciples of Jesus hold the same beliefs because that what they were taught as they were growing up, even at that time as Jesus was taucking to Nicodemus the beliefs of the disciples were the same as the beliefs of Nicodemus and the rest of the Jewish Nation. 

In two words the hoped for an earthly Kingdom, they evision The Christ as an earthly ruler of the Nation of Israel as it was in the time of King David , just about free from all ocupational forses, at that time namemly the Romans. 

In contrast to these visions, who Jesus explain to Nicodemus that he had the wrong visions, and holding fast to those visions may lead him to denied that Jesus is the Christ, because that what Nicodemus believe at that time. 

Jesus Christ caution Nicodemus that when he sees him hanging on the Cross that will lead him to unbelief . 

And that what happen to Nicodemus and also to the disciples of Jesus Christ. 

Till the redirection and Jesus teaching them about his glory and him inheriting the Heavenly Throne. 

This is the vision of the " Kingdom of God and his Christ" which Nicodemus and or the disciples could not see at that time, till after the resuraction.. 

It is in the book of Acts at the time of the stoning of Stephen. 

The vision of Stephen given to him at the time just before his death. 

Acts 7:55,56

55. But he, been full of the Holy Spirit, looked up steadfastly into Heaven, and show the glory if God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God. 

56: And said, behold, I see the Heaven opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

At that time Paul was there and he must have heard what Stephen had said, if not directly from Stephen, then from the people who heard him. 

And later when he himself met Jesus Christ on the road to Damascus, and was expose to Jesus Glory, then he must remember Stephen's vision and believe it. 

This is perhaps the vision of Stephen that Jesus Christ was repeating in Paul's mind and Paul kept resisting to believe. 

Later Paul wrote a lot about the substance of Stephen's vision in his teachings. 

[Heleadethme]

On 12/7/2017 at 10:51 PM, Justmemyselfandi said:

 

 

Forgive me if I've used the wrong terminology here. I am unsure of that.

I sometimes think that those Christians who come to Christ out of the world have a harder time acclimatizing and catigorizing what it is to be a Christian than those who were born and raised into Christianity. I think there is, at times an underlying need to prove their faith, even to fellow Christians  than those whose foundation in the faith was set by the parents of those who grew up in the faith.

As a result Born again Christian are more anxious and stressed out when dealing with issues of the faith. They may just be harder on some within the community for doing things outside the faith that they, themselves have done and project themselves on the perpetrators out of remorse for their history.

I don't know about some others, but I can get this way at times. It's like I have to prove I'm worthy and I don't know if doing so is a tell tale sign of some serious issue I have with myself or with the Holy Spirit.

Have other people gone through this or am I the fritzbrain in the community?

Those who have come to faith in Jesus Christ and received His Spirit........are more zealous and urgent about their faith than those who were only raised in Christianity but haven't yet experienced the new birth.  Maybe that is why you are noticing a difference between the two groups.  To those who truly know the Lord their faith is real and alive.......to those who are merely cultural Christians their faith is only a mental belief, it isn't the living faith which comes from His Spirit when we come to faith in Jesus.....the reason our faith is more alive is simply because we have passed from death unto life.

[Your closest friendnt]

16 hours ago, Heleadethme said:

Those who have come to faith in Jesus Christ and received His Spirit........are more zealous and urgent about their faith than those who were only raised in Christianity but haven't yet experienced the new birth.  Maybe that is why you are noticing a difference between the two groups.  To those who truly know the Lord their faith is real and alive.......to those who are merely cultural Christians their faith is only a mental belief, it isn't the living faith which comes from His Spirit when we come to faith in Jesus.....the reason our faith is more alive is simply because we have passed from death unto life.

When I first read your post, it seemed to me that it sounded just about right. 

Later when I read it again, I began to question, how much of what it is posted reflects the truth in those statements. 

There are terms use in the post that can be misconstrue and be define in any way the reader thinks it is possible to aplly, without proper and carefull quidance of how to define those terms, and the proper application. 

For example the term "cultural Christians", 

What is the proper definition of cultural Christianity, and what is cultural Christianity and how many different groups and subgroups are exist, and how one can tell the difference. 

In your statement you use the term "cultural Christians". 

And to be more specific, the term, " merely cultural Christians" is indroduse. 

And the statement that follows is: "their faith is only a mendal belief". 

And continiun to put them in a group on being lost, and among other things that "have not pass from death to life. 

What a cultural or a merely cultural Christian does when they get together ? Perhaps you should get to know them, and observed them without or even with a prejuging mind set, as long as it open to receive new information. 

And it would be helpfull to read the scriptures that make reference to those groups of people within the Christianity you have conviniatly discrive them being lost and without the spirit of Jesus Christ. 

Even Jesus said: 

You 'd rather be hot or cold. 

If that what you were referring to: being cold. 

Or not getting to much involved in what someone believes beyond the family bounds. 

What is a mendal belief? 

Why do you believe that those who do not get emotionaly involved in their beliefs, are not realy believing. 

And why do you believe that coultural Christians are not capable of being emotionally responsive to what they believe. 

 

Edited December 10, 2017 by Your closest friendnt

[frienduff thaylorde]

1 hour ago, Your closest friendnt said:

When I first read your post, it seemed to me that it sounded just about right. 

Later when I read it again, I began to question, how much of what it is posted reflects the truth in those statements. 

There are terms use in the post that can be misconstrue and be define in any way the reader thinks it is possible to aplly, without proper and carefull quidance of how to define those terms, and the proper application. 

For example the term "cultural Christians", 

What is the proper definition of cultural Christianity, and what is cultural Christianity and how many different groups and subgroups are exist, and how one can tell the difference. 

In your statement you use the term "cultural Christians". 

And to be more specific, the term, " merely cultural Christians" is indroduse. 

And the statement that follows is: "their faith is only a mendal belief". 

And continiun to put them in a group on being lost, and among other things that "have not pass from death to life. 

What a cultural or a merely cultural Christian does when they get together ? Perhaps you should get to know them, and observed them without or even with a prejuging mind set, as long as it open to receive new information. 

And it would be helpfull to read the scriptures that make reference to those groups of people within the Christianity you have conviniatly discrive them being lost and without the spirit of Jesus Christ. 

Even Jesus said: 

You 'd rather be hot or cold. 

If that what you were referring to: being cold. 

Or not getting to much involved in what someone believes beyond the family bounds. 

What is a mendal belief? 

Why do you believe that those who do not get emotionaly involved in their beliefs, are not realy believing. 

And why do you believe that coultural Christians are not capable of being emotionally responsive to what they believe. 

 

cultural christains can be often very emotionally responsive to what they believe   .  the problem is the cultural christain is emotional when it comes to mans ideologies

whereas a born again Christain is very emotional when it comes to the  things OF CHRIST ONLY.  

examples of cultural ,  politics, that goes for the right and left

left are big on social events, like gay marriage , transgender , feeding the poor  but often in a way that excludes them and lays the burden on others

anti war which is good,     the right is big on nationalism ,  justified wars, which aint justified ,  etc

A true christain preaches CHRIST , HIS SAYINGS and twists none and are very zealous in a good way for the things of GOD , for evangelizing to the lost

I mean the whole focus is on Christ .   HIS pattern HIS SAYINGS .  the real life which can come only from above.  YES , you must be born again. 

[frienduff thaylorde]

Heed this one and all.   WHEN culture shapes the gospel and how it should be preached or presented , this ends only in death.

THE ONE True gospel of GOD , should reach out to the lost in that culture and bring them to CHRIST and they would no longer be conformed to the ideologies of a culture

but only to the TRUTH which proceeds from Christ .

Ps.   tis why I knew seeker friendly was doomed to destroy.   for they sought advice on how to , FROM NON BELIEVERS

when they should have sought the HOW to win FROM CHRIST and SOUND BIBLCAL DOCTRINE ONLY.

but man often thinks he is wiser than GOD.    Man those results destroy not only the world but any church who follows them.

 

[Mike Mclees]

The New Testament only speaks of two groups. Spiritual and Carnal. We are called to be spiritual.  Paul states in  

⁵ For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. ⁶ For to be carnally^b minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. ⁷ Because the carnal^c mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. ⁸ So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. ⁹ But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

¹⁰ And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. ¹¹ But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by^d his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

^b to be carnally...: Gr. the minding of the flesh

^c the carnal...: Gr. the minding of the flesh

^d         Ro 8:5-11

 

This is why Jesus said you must born again of the Spirit. The carnal mind cannot grasp spiritual things. They are worldly minded (fleshly)  

 

Edited December 10, 2017 by Mike Mclees