Did God "needed" the original sin?

[HAZARD]

  God did not know that His perfect angels would sin, and He also did not know that man would sin, until he tested them to see if they would remain true and obey Him. The Ante-chaotic Age extended from the original creation of the heavens and the Earth and all things therein to the rebellion and overthrow of the first kosmos, or social order on the Earth. It was the dateless period between Gen.1:1 when the Earth was finished and inhabited in the beginning and Gen.1:2 when the Earth was first flooded, destroying all life therein. It takes in that unknown time during which Earth was in its first perfect state and ruled by Lucifer before he rebelled and caused the Earth to be flooded, as in Gen. 1:2.

In Ezek.28:11-17 it is stated of Lucifer: "Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity wasfound in thee." This teaches that there was a period of perfection and sinlessness on the Earth before its curse and chaotic state as in Gen.1:2; so we call this period, "The
Ante-chaotic Age." During this age spirit beings ruled the Earth and other planets, and it might be called "The Dispensation of Angels." This administration of angels was evidently a moral or probationary period designed to test the angels before trusting them in an eternal. So we call it a "dispensation," which means a moral or probationary period which God tests free moral agents according to a fixed standard of conduct.
 

All spirit beings must of necessity be tested like human free moral agents to see if they will obey God before they are trusted with higher and eternal responsibility. Angels were fresh from the hand of God in creation and had been created with free wills; so they were capable of making their own
choice as to whether they wanted to obey or not. They had to learn by the experience of being tested whether they would or would not obey God. They had to learn obedience. They also had to learn that God was just and holy in all His ways and that He could and should be trusted in all things that could not be made known to free moral agents at one time. They had to learn that God was the Supreme Moral Governor of the universe and that all creatures should consecrate themselves to the same end to which God Himself was consecrated - the highest good of the universe and all creatures therein. They had to prove themselves true to God in order to get the rewards for obedience. They had to earn that God's Word was true concerning penalties for disobedience.

God's dispensational dealings were for the same purpose with the spirit beings as they are with human beings....

If Lucifer and many other spirit beings had remained true to God, there would have been no universal curse on the Earth and no need for a re-creation of the atmospheric heavens and the Earth and life on the planet Earth, as recorded in Gen.1:3-2:25....
The Bible record of the first curse on Earth and the cancellation of the administration of angels over the Earth should make the present administrators fear God because of their rebellion. Peter warns the present human rebels on Earth thus: "Whose judgment now for a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; and spared not the old world but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in
the flood upon the world of the ungodly; and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an example unto those that should live ungodly; and delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked .... The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished" (2 Pet.2:4-9). Jude also speaks
of the judgment of God upon both angels and men in the past for rebellion (Jude 5-7).

Paul gives the example of how God cut off Israel because of rebellion and unbelief and warned the Gentiles to "take heed lest He spare not thee" (Rom.11:1-26). He also gives the example of the Gentile world that did not appreciate the knowledge of God but became vain in their imaginations and hard and stubborn in their rebellion until God gave them over to vile affections to destroy themselves (Rom.1:16-32). Many other examples could be given of God's judgment upon men in various ages, but these are sufficient here to show why God had to deal with the angelic administrators of the Earth long before the days of Adam.

The "ways" in which Lucifer was perfect until iniquity was found in him prove that angels were placed under certain restrictions for the purpose of testing them. Tests are absolutely necessary for any material thing that is made to discover if it will do what it was designed and made for. The same thing is especially true of free moral agents who are capable of voluntary choices concerning moral tests....
There would be no object in creating free wills if there were not laws for them to obey and to restrict and guide them in their association with all other creatures in society. There would be no need in creating creatures capable of voluntary obedience without also stating the right and wrong ways so they can make their choice as to which way they will go. It is written even of the Sinless One, "Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; and being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him" (Heb.5:7-10).

[Devarim]

El Shaddai is all knowing. 

[Retrobyter]

10 hours ago, HAZARD said:

  God did not know that His perfect angels would sin, and He also did not know that man would sin, until he tested them to see if they would remain true and obey Him. The Ante-chaotic Age extended from the original creation of the heavens and the Earth and all things therein to the rebellion and overthrow of the first kosmos, or social order on the Earth. It was the dateless period between Gen.1:1 when the Earth was finished and inhabited in the beginning and Gen.1:2 when the Earth was first flooded, destroying all life therein. It takes in that unknown time during which Earth was in its first perfect state and ruled by Lucifer before he rebelled and caused the Earth to be flooded, as in Gen. 1:2.

In Ezek.28:11-17 it is stated of Lucifer: "Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity wasfound in thee." This teaches that there was a period of perfection and sinlessness on the Earth before its curse and chaotic state as in Gen.1:2; so we call this period, "The
Ante-chaotic Age." During this age spirit beings ruled the Earth and other planets, and it might be called "The Dispensation of Angels." This administration of angels was evidently a moral or probationary period designed to test the angels before trusting them in an eternal. So we call it a "dispensation," which means a moral or probationary period which God tests free moral agents according to a fixed standard of conduct.
 

All spirit beings must of necessity be tested like human free moral agents to see if they will obey God before they are trusted with higher and eternal responsibility. Angels were fresh from the hand of God in creation and had been created with free wills; so they were capable of making their own
choice as to whether they wanted to obey or not. They had to learn by the experience of being tested whether they would or would not obey God. They had to learn obedience. They also had to learn that God was just and holy in all His ways and that He could and should be trusted in all things that could not be made known to free moral agents at one time. They had to learn that God was the Supreme Moral Governor of the universe and that all creatures should consecrate themselves to the same end to which God Himself was consecrated - the highest good of the universe and all creatures therein. They had to prove themselves true to God in order to get the rewards for obedience. They had to earn that God's Word was true concerning penalties for disobedience.

God's dispensational dealings were for the same purpose with the spirit beings as they are with human beings....

If Lucifer and many other spirit beings had remained true to God, there would have been no universal curse on the Earth and no need for a re-creation of the atmospheric heavens and the Earth and life on the planet Earth, as recorded in Gen.1:3-2:25....
The Bible record of the first curse on Earth and the cancellation of the administration of angels over the Earth should make the present administrators fear God because of their rebellion. Peter warns the present human rebels on Earth thus: "Whose judgment now for a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; and spared not the old world but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in
the flood upon the world of the ungodly; and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an example unto those that should live ungodly; and delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked .... The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished" (2 Pet.2:4-9). Jude also speaks
of the judgment of God upon both angels and men in the past for rebellion (Jude 5-7).

Paul gives the example of how God cut off Israel because of rebellion and unbelief and warned the Gentiles to "take heed lest He spare not thee" (Rom.11:1-26). He also gives the example of the Gentile world that did not appreciate the knowledge of God but became vain in their imaginations and hard and stubborn in their rebellion until God gave them over to vile affections to destroy themselves (Rom.1:16-32). Many other examples could be given of God's judgment upon men in various ages, but these are sufficient here to show why God had to deal with the angelic administrators of the Earth long before the days of Adam.

The "ways" in which Lucifer was perfect until iniquity was found in him prove that angels were placed under certain restrictions for the purpose of testing them. Tests are absolutely necessary for any material thing that is made to discover if it will do what it was designed and made for. The same thing is especially true of free moral agents who are capable of voluntary choices concerning moral tests....
There would be no object in creating free wills if there were not laws for them to obey and to restrict and guide them in their association with all other creatures in society. There would be no need in creating creatures capable of voluntary obedience without also stating the right and wrong ways so they can make their choice as to which way they will go. It is written even of the Sinless One, "Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; and being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him" (Heb.5:7-10).

Shalom, Hazard.

That's too much theology and not enough Scripture. You've fallen into the same trappings as did the Jews when they added "Caballah" to the Scriptures.

First of all, you've relied on questionable interpretations of certain passages of Scripture. And, those passages of Scripture have been relied upon through the English translations of those Scriptures rather than on their original meanings through the original language of Hebrew.

1. There is no "gap" between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2. Genesis 1:1 is a SYNOPSIS - a SUMMARY - of what is to follow. The SAME NAMES, "shaamaayim" and "erets" - "heavens (dual)" and "earth," used in 1:1 are NAMES FIRST GIVEN BY GOD in 1:8 and 1:10 to the objects, "raqiya`" ("expanse" or "firmament") and "yabaashaah" ("dry [land]"), respectively.

When adding the definite article prefix "h-" (the hei in the Hebrew alefbet) to words in Hebrew, the vowel sounds (and thus the vowel pointing and the transliterations) change the words"shaamaayim" and "erets" slightly into "hashaamayim" and "haa'aarets," where "a" is the patach ("ah" sound in "father"), "aa" is the qaamets ("aw" sound in "saw"), and "e" is the segol ("eh" in "bed"). The " ' " added between instances of "aa" in "haa'aarets" is the alef, the first letter of the Hebrew alefbet (alphabet), which I do not show at the beginning of words in transliteration since it is implied by beginning the word with a vowel. The alef is a CONSONANT that represents the explosive sound we make at the beginning of words like "apple," "egg," and "umbrella." Thus, we automatically include the alef when we say the word "erets.," and I don't need to include it as "'erets," which becomes confused with the beginning of single quotation marks.

Consider carefully the following verses (with Hebrew transliterations):

Genesis 1:8 (KJV)

8 And God called the firmament "Heaven." And the evening and the morning were the second day.

8 Vayiqraa` Elohiym laraqiya' shaamaayim vayhiy `ereV vayhiy boqer yowm sheeniy:

Genesis 1:10 (KJV)

10 And God called the dry land "Earth"; and the gathering together of the waters called he "Seas": and God saw that it was good. 

10 Vayiqraa` Elohiym layabaashaah erets uwlmiqveh hammayim qaaraa' yammiym vayyar' Elohiym kiy towV:

(Quotation marks added.)

These are the SAME WORDS as in Genesis 1:1:

Genesis 1:1 (KJV)

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

1 Bree'shiyt baaraa' Elohiym et hashaamayim v'et haa'aarets:

2. There is no "made" in Genesis 1:2. The verb "haayaah" in the 3rd-person, feminine form "haaytaah" means "was" not "was made" or "had become!"

Genesis 1:2 (KJV)

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. 

2 Vhaa'aarets haaytaah tohuw vbohuw vhoshekh `al pneey t-howm vruwach Elohiym mrachefet `al pneey hammayim:

There is NO sequential linkage between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2! The earth existed formless and empty because NOTHING HAD BEEN CREATED ON IT, YET! There is NO SUCH THING as an "Ante-chaotic Age!" That's just PURE FICTION made up from someone with too big an imagination and too much time on his hands!

Secondly, it is the height of nonsense EVER to say, "God did not know ..."! Either God is omniscient (all-knowing), or He is not God! And, you didn't say it just once; you said it TWICE! You said, "God did not know that His perfect angels would sin, and He also did not know that man would sin, until he tested them to see if they would remain true and obey Him." If that's your idea of God, you have a VERY small God!

Ezekiel 28:11-19 is NOT about "Lucifer!" That's what THEOLOGY has taught, but that is NOT what the Scriptures say!

Ezekiel 28:11-19 (KJV)

11 Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.
13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.

Tsor (Tyre or Tyrus in Greek and Latin) was a city-state north of Israel on the coast just south of ancient Lebanon. It was a place of commerce and a busy port on the Mediterranean Sea. Its king was a wealthy man and the controller of trade throughout the Middle East.

While it is common among theologians to attribute this passage to "Lucifer," there is NOTHING that demands this passage to be about him! To the contrary, God specifically tells Ezekiel that this is a lament for THE KING OF TSOR, not Heeyleel or "Lucifer!"