Trump: God’s Man of the Hour

[Guest shiloh357]

6 hours ago, OldSchool2 said:

No, he's operating around them, just like he did in NY when he declared he was Trump U.

 

No, that is not true.  He is operating inside the Constitution.  It is Trump's critics who want to usurp the Constitution to unseat him.

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Trump gets in his own way, the media reports it and then his supporters chant "fake news" to delegitimize a free press.

Wash, rinse, repeat.

 

No, Trump doesn't get his own way.   He didn't get his way on a lot of things like healthcare.  

And there is no free press.   There is a Communist, anti-America  press that has decided that it is the propaganda machine for the Democrats and have become the enemies of the American people.  MSN, CNN, MSNBC NPR, Huff-Po, Salon, Politico and their ilk are the enemies of freedom, liberty and of America.  They are a disgrace to this country and should be brought up on charges of sedition.

[OldSchool2]

17 hours ago, shiloh357 said:

No, that is not true.  He is operating inside the Constitution.  It is Trump's critics who want to usurp the Constitution to unseat him....

How exactly can Trump's critics use the Constitution, e.g.., Article I, Section 9, Clause 8 and/or the 25th Amendment, to unseat him "unconstitutionally"?

17 hours ago, shiloh357 said:

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And there is no free press.   There is a Communist, anti-America  press that has decided that it is the propaganda machine for the Democrats and have become the enemies of the American people....

Calling the press "enemies of the (American) people" is quoting Stalin to claim that the American media is Communist!

[wingnut-]

1 hour ago, OldSchool2 said:

How exactly can Trump's critics use the Constitution, e.g.., Article I, Section 9, Clause 8 and/or the 25th Amendment, to unseat him "unconstitutionally"?

 

Due Process of Law

A fundamental, constitutional guarantee that all legal proceedings will be fair and that one will be given notice of the proceedings and an opportunity to be heard before the government acts to take away one's life, liberty, or property. Also, a constitutional guarantee that a law shall not be unreasonable, Arbitrary, or capricious.

The constitutional guarantee of due process of law, found in the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments to the U.S. Constitution,prohibits all levels of government from arbitrarily or unfairly depriving individuals of their basic constitutional rights to life,liberty, and property. The due process clause of the Fifth Amendment, ratified in 1791, asserts that no person shall "be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law." This amendment restricts the powers of the federal government and applies only to actions by it. The Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, ratified in 1868,declares,"[N]or shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law" (§ 1). This clause limits the powers of the states, rather than those of the federal government.

 

https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/due+process+of+law

 

Do you understand the difference between an allegation and a conviction?  Because last I checked, Trump has not even been charged with the offenses you have decided he is guilty of.  That would be the definition of trying to unseat a President unconstitutionally, and why what has been going on for the last year is nothing more than an attempted coup.

[Guest shiloh357]

2 hours ago, OldSchool2 said:

How exactly can Trump's critics use the Constitution, e.g.., Article I, Section 9, Clause 8 and/or the 25th Amendment, to unseat him "unconstitutionally"?

 

They are aiding and abetting the enemies of Trump, who plan to usurp the Constitution.   They are attempting to shape public opinion.   They knowingly shield our enemies as they attempt to subvert the Constitution to that end.  The American media is complicit in the overthrow of the government.  That includes CNN, MSN, MSNBC, NPR, Salon, Huff-Po, Politico and of those of their ilk are giving aid and inspiration and cover for our enemies and as such are the enemies of freedom, enemies of America and are nothing propaganda machines that need to be dismantled and prosecuted for sedition.

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Calling the press "enemies of the (American) people" is quoting Stalin to claim that the American media is Communist!

The press and their supporters ARE enemies of the American people and the Constitution of the United States of America.  They are aiding in the attempt to unseat Trump who was duly and constitutionally elected.   The media has decided that they, not the American people, will choose who the president is, and they are doing all they can to aid in unseating Trump.   

Calling them the enemies of US is accurate. If CNN and MSNBC and their ilk had their way, we would be a Stalinist dictatorship under Hillary Clinton.  We would no longer be the US and the liberal media is doing all they can to destroy our country.  And unfortunately, they have too many allies among the American people all too happy to promote their lies and their Communist utopian dreams.

[OldSchool2]

33 minutes ago, wingnut- said:

Do you understand the difference between an allegation and a conviction?  Because last I checked, Trump has not even been charged with the offenses you have decided he is guilty of....

Trump gets in his own way, the media reports it and then his supporters chant "fake news" to delegitimize a free press.

Or is Trump innocent of the above?

[wingnut-]

2 minutes ago, OldSchool2 said:

Trump gets in his own way, the media reports it and then his supporters chant "fake news" to delegitimize a free press.

Or is Trump innocent of the above?

 

According to the law, a man is innocent until PROVEN guilty.  Has be been proven guilty of anything yet?

[OldSchool2]

4 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

They are aiding and abetting the enemies of Trump ...

The press and their supporters ARE enemies of the American people and the Constitution of the United States of America....

Once again, calling the press "enemies of the (American) people" is quoting Stalin to claim that the American media is Communist!

Trump and his supporters have put us all in an "us-them" world where "them" is anyone who disagrees with Trump.

 

[OldSchool2]

1 minute ago, wingnut- said:

According to the law, a man is innocent until PROVEN guilty.  Has be been proven guilty of anything yet?

Although Trump is still being investigated by Mueller, he is still guilty of continuing Obama's polarization of politics, increasing our debt, attacking the First Amendment, etc.

[wingnut-]

36 minutes ago, OldSchool2 said:

Although Trump is still being investigated by Mueller

 

And if he is convicted of a crime then we will be in agreement, but until then, he is still innocent in the eyes of the law.

 

39 minutes ago, OldSchool2 said:

he is still guilty of continuing Obama's polarization of politics, increasing our debt, attacking the First Amendment, etc.

 

Well, all of this is really subjective.  Politics are polarizing, and considering he is disliked by both Republicans and Democrats, there really is no way for him to avoid it.  I also find it hard to hold him accountable for the establishment viewing him as a threat.

As for increasing the debt, well, he has only been in office for a year.  Expecting him to fix everything in that amount of time is a bit unrealistic, we will see what the future holds in that respect.

I don't agree with your assessment that he has attacked the First Amendment, in fact, I would say he has done the opposite.  Defending himself against the MSM that attacks him at every turn is not an attack, it is a defense.  I don't have an issue with anyone defending themselves against an aggressor.  As for religious liberty, he has done more good than any other President in my lifetime.  

[OldSchool2]

1 hour ago, wingnut- said:

And if he is convicted of a crime then we will be in agreement, but until then, he is still innocent in the eyes of the law....

From page one of this thread:

On ‎1‎/‎26‎/‎2018 at 5:32 AM, OldSchool2 said:

"Although Trump stated before he was sworn in that he would remove himself from the running of the Trump Organization, he didn't remove himself from personally profiting from his interest in the corporation. Plus, although he said his children would run the company and make decisions, their interests do not appear to be entirely separate from their father's -- he is clearly benefiting financially from their promotion of the sprawling business.

"There are a number of lawsuits charging that Trump is violating the Emoluments Clause ... However, it is not just the Emoluments Clause that is at issue, when it comes to Trump's conflicts of interest. There is also the fact that Trump benefits from all the additional business attracted to the Trump Organization through the use of his corporate properties for governmental and personal purposes. Public Citizen, a consumer rights advocacy group, issued a report last week that found at least '64 trade groups, foreign governments, companies, charities and politicians hold events at Trump properties....'"

http://truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/at-the-end-of-year-one-trump-is-still-making-money-off-of-the-presidency

Emoluments Clause: "... and no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State."

Article I, Section 9, Clause 8

And Trump putting his financial empire into his own sons hands is not a blind trust.

1 hour ago, wingnut- said:

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I don't agree with your assessment that he has attacked the First Amendment, in fact, I would say he has done the opposite.  Defending himself against the MSM that attacks him at every turn is not an attack, it is a defense....

Why is every criticism of Donald Trump an attack?

And declaring all news but pro-Trump Fox News to be "fake news" is an all too convenient excuse to undermine any media scrutiny from the Fourth Estate.