Fundamental Baptist

[kittylover0991]

That make sense..... now it all makes sense.....

There are actually churches that just conform to the culture of which they are in? That is ludicris. How... how can one justify that... it doesn't make sense to me....

[kittylover0991]

Whysoblind, for money.... for glory..... that is not right...... how is it that God allows them to do this?

some way in error? i have not found one way that the church i attend is in error. Do we not use words while speaking that are greater than a 5th grade vocabulary/ reading level? Once explained, i can understand a lot of these things.... but i never knew and i never quite found the right time to ask. I thougt i would go on the boards to find out, not to have my church bashed.

I go to a wonderful church that belives strongly in what the bible says and its principles/law. I would appreciate it is you would not bash my church. I was merely asking for explanations.

[Leonard]

After reading all these opinions, I think it ought to be VERY CLEAR!!!

[Leonard]

PS, Kitty Lover (I am too, by the way): If you are happy with your church, then I believe that is where God wants you to be. Sorry if my stab at humor was taken too literally...........

By the way, there really is a 'Jesus Name, Holiness Church of God in Christ, of the Apostolic Way, Believing and Teaching Acts 2:38' in Phoenix, and they really ARE a fighting bunch!

[Gerioke]

That make sense..... now it all makes sense.....

There are actually churches that just conform to the culture of which they are in? That is ludicris. How... how can one justify that... it doesn't make sense to me....

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Simple, they do what draws the biggest crowd. Bigger crowds mean more money in the tithe and offering. More money equals bigger houses and better cars, and in some cases "better" wife/husband. You can buy almost anything these days, except salvation(1 Pet. 1:18-20)

Man is inherently religious. He may not be saved, but he is religious. Now what can be "better" than a "religion" that tells you that you can live like the devil, and at the same time be saved? These "Seeker Sensitive" self styled churches tell the people what the want to hear in order to draw a bigger crowd.

1 Timothy 6:10 - For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

This blows a hole in Creflo Dollar's ministry, along with Rod Parseley, and many many others, baptist, pentecost, methodist, lutheran, etc, doesn't matter, if its "money cometh" or "saved in sin", then it is not of God.

2 Timothy 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; 2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. 5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.

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Since moving to Nova Scotia , I have attended to separate baptist churches.

The first was a small church with maybe, a dozen semi regular attendies. I became good friends with the pastor but my wife and I were seeking something that offered more spiritual food. This particular baptist church did not have a lot of money nor did they appear to have a liberal sin for salvation attitude. They did appear to be starving spiritually and we moved on. The second church was founded by black ex slaves in 1845. These people are proud of their heritage. The pastor preaches on looking at ourselves as winners a lot. He preaches that Jesus loves us more than we can fathom. He preaches that we are in a war that has been won by God and as believers we have the right to celebrate that victory.

This particular church does have 300+ attendees and is in the process of expanding to seat more. You may look at it as more tithes and bigger cars and so on. Abraham lived well in his time as did issac and jacob. God blessed them with great wealth and never once accuseed them of false doctrine. Christ did say that it's easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get to heaven , but the rich man usually stays rich by hording his money. If a church or individual does good things with their money then how can you judge a lucrative church. Consider the parable

Mathew 25:14 For the kingdom of heaven is as a man traveling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered to them his goods.

15 And to one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; and straightway took his journey.

16 Then he that had received the five talents went and traded with the same, and made them other five talents.

17 And likewise he that had received two, he also gained other two.

18 But he that had received one went and dig in the earth, and hid his lord's money.

19 After a long time the lord of those servants comes, and reckons with them.

20 And so he that had received five talents came and brought other five talents, saying, Lord, you delivered to me five talents: behold, I have gained beside them five talents more.

21 His lord said to him, Well done, you good and faithful servant: you have been faithful over a few things, I will make you ruler over many things: enter you into the joy of your lord.

22 He also that had received two talents came and said, Lord, you delivered to me two talents: behold, I have gained two other talents beside them.

23 His lord said to him, Well done, good and faithful servant; you have been faithful over a few things, I will make you ruler over many things: enter you into the joy of your lord.

24 Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew you that you are an hard man, reaping where you have not sown, and gathering where you have not strewed:

25 And I was afraid, and went and hid your talent in the earth: see, there you have that is yours.

26 His lord answered and said to him, You wicked and slothful servant, you knew that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strewed:

27 You ought therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received my own with usury.

28 Take therefore the talent from him, and give it to him which has ten talents.

29 For to every one that has shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that has not shall be taken away even that which he has.

30 And cast you the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

[Guest yod]

Non-tongue talkers are not second class christians. They are ignorant of the truth. Perhaps sincere, at least in some cases, but nevertheless ignorant.

that's crazy.

You are judging the depth of someone's relationship to the Lord by whether they can babble right?

How shallow.

[Gerioke]

WSB

I can't believe you actually believe one denomination is inferior to another

I've been primarily non denominational most of my walk. I've attended pentacostal, baptist, anglican, catholic and so on and so forth.

It has been my observation that each denomination serves a particular function in the body. You're treading on thin ice when you start making judgements about Christ's people. As long as people run the institutions they will remain imperfect, even your chuch WSB. You know a lot about scripture but you need some work in the people department

[Khristeeanos]

That make sense..... now it all makes sense.....

There are actually churches that just conform to the culture of which they are in? That is ludicris. How... how can one justify that... it doesn't make sense to me....

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I think that if the message is the Biblical message, the methods of presenting it must change.

Can you imagine if all churches refused to use electricity for PA and instruments?

[sheya joie]

I just now ran across this thread, and my immediate reaction to the original question, about what the various words in the kind of church it is mean - was, how about ask the pastor to explain all of it?

[NeTrips]

6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

they didn't have the Holy Ghost until they spoke in tongues.

I don't read this the same way. Read it again:

1st Paul laid hands on them

2nd the Holy Ghost came on them

3rd they spoke in tongues

4th they prophesied

Just by reading what is written, as it is written, you can't make the argument that they didn't have the Holy Spirit until they spoke in tongues. Clearly the order reveals they had the Holy Spirit before they could speak in tongues. How can you receive the gifts of the spirit before receiving the spirit?