READ THE BIBLE WISELY

[frienduff thaylorde]

8 minutes ago, Giller said:

Well whatever the case, whether it is the greatest tribulation to come on the church or not, this is what the word of God says:

Joh 16:33
(33)  These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
 

And it makes me think of this scripture:

Php 3:10
(10)  That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;

We need to be acquainted to his sufferings, and notice it says his sufferings, which has nothing to do with say a believer falls and breaks his arm, or whipping yourself, so you can have some type of suffering, but rather to be acquainted with what he suffered in the realm of opposition to the gospel, in persecutions and so forth, and if we follow after Christ we will get opposition, persecutions and what not, then we get acquainted with Christ' s sufferings, but God gives us the grace to go through it, and consoles us, and we become made conformable unto his death, to were it continuously causes us to put our faith in God.

Do not be moved by the ways of men or their persecutions, but let the old man die so Christ can live, and have grace in time of need.
 

OH for sure we are to be doing that first and foremost too.

 

[frienduff thaylorde]

4 minutes ago, LightShinesInTheDarkness said:

There is no temptation or trial that there is not grace available to us to overcome or endure. If we truly comprehended this truth and availed ourselves of that limitless power of God as we could and should, instead of making excuses for not obeying, and running away from the battles and the refining fires, we would be so much stronger, purer and brighter than many of us are. We don't see God work as He can because we don't put ourselves in a position to see Him work like the God He is. He points forward and we stand still or cut to the right or the left. Yet whenever God points us forward, He goes before and behind us. Whenever He says "Do", it is He who enables us to do it. And the result of choosing to die to ourselves, and to trust God in order to do His will is a rewarding rush of love and zeal for the Lord, that we will not have if we do not, as well as a mind more like His, greater insight into His wisdom, and greater joy in Him. 

(If you wonder why you don't have the kind of love and enthusiasm for God that David expressed in the Psalms, it's because you're not the kind of saint that David was!)

 

If you wonder why you don't have the kind of love and enthusiasm for God that David expressed in the Psalms, it's because you're not the kind of saint that David was!)

And david was known for ..........................a man after GODS HEART .

what are the two commandments that sum up the whole law.........................LOVE THE LORD with all the heart , mind soul

and your neighbor as yourself.     Why do we think the apostels really DID SING when persecuted and in prison, on the run and so on.

cause the love of GOD really was SHED on their hearts by the HOLY GHOST .

The golden bull of interfaith will soon charge the saints full force.     Our only weapons against it are SPIRITUAL.

don't let the bull give ya the horn,   you grab that bull by both horns and somersault back flip it and say..............I DONT HEED IMAGES OF MEN but ONLY GOD DO I HEED.

 

[LightShinesInTheDarkness]

3 minutes ago, Yowm said:

Even amongst the Jews there has always been a remnant of true believers i.e. true Jews, just as today there are many gentiles who claim to be Christian but have not true faith. Many Jews today have come to know their Messiah in increasing numbers and to act as if God has totally rejected them is dangerous and borders on antisemitism. Let's be careful with the broad brushes.

My post had nothing to do with election. God has always had His elect among the Jews, who have been coming to Christ, and who will come to Him, just as He has among the Gentiles. I said that the unsaved Jews (like all unsaved people) do not have God living in them, and that their religion is void of God and futile, which it is. Jews who do come to Christ are Jews by birth but should be Christians in practice---just like Paul was. As he wrote, addressing Jewish converts:

Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise. (Galatians 3:23-29)

But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve not under the old written code but in the new life of the Spirit. (Romans 7:6 ESV)

[frienduff thaylorde]

1 minute ago, LightShinesInTheDarkness said:

My post had nothing to do with election. God has always had His elect among the Jews, who have been coming to Christ, and who will come to Him, just as He has among the Gentiles. I said that the unsaved Jews (like all unsaved people) do not have God living in them, and that their religion is void of God and futile, which it is. Jews who do come to Christ are Jews by birth but should be Christians in practice---just like Paul was. As he wrote, addressing Jewish converts:

Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise. (Galatians 3:23-29)

But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve not under the old written code but in the new life of the Spirit. (Romans 7:6 ESV)

I think many miss that .  they call the jews , all jews children of God. 

But to be fair ,lets hear what a Jew named paul once said about that ............................that is the children of the flesh,   ARE NOT THE CHILDREN OF GOD.

a jew who don't know JESUS is not a child of GOD.  

Therefore lets hear the conclusion  a jew or any other who does not KNOW JESUS is not and are not children of GOD.    HEY FRANCIS you getting this down . 

ONLY those in CHRIST are the saved born again children of God.   Be blessed peoples.

SO what is the solution.  PREACH the gospel of JESUS ONLY SAVES and not the dung pile we all saved children of God that ALL INCLUSIVE WORLD PEACE says.

Anyone see a head on collision coming.  I DO.    soon to say JESUS is the only way or that he aint the minister of sin , will be OUTLAWED  .  seen only as haters .  

REJOICE IN THE LORD when you are persecuted , when men shall speak evil of you for MY NAME sake.   SING IT PEOPLES sing it . 

[Willa]

1 hour ago, LightShinesInTheDarkness said:

Count it all joy, my brothers, when you meet trials of various kinds, for you know that the testing of your faith produces steadfastness. And let steadfastness have its full effect, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking in nothing. (James 1:2 ESV)

More than that, we rejoice in our sufferings, knowing that suffering produces endurance, and endurance produces character, and character produces hope, and hope does not put us to shame, because God's love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who has been given to us. (Romans 5:1-5 ESV)

Then they left the presence of the council, rejoicing that they were counted worthy to suffer dishonor for the name. (Acts 5:41 ESV)

For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain. (Philippians 1:21 ESV)*

*Oh that more of us could say this honestly of ourselves, and not merely quote Paul...

 

While I believe these things, during the suffering it is sometimes difficult to find suffering joyful.  I can delight in the Lord during suffering and rest in His joy.  I can rejoice in God during suffering.  It is hard to find joy in the fact that I am suffering.  I can know in my head that it is for good or that God will bring good out of it, but intense pain is what it is.

[LightShinesInTheDarkness]

34 minutes ago, Willa said:

While I believe these things, during the suffering it is sometimes difficult to find suffering joyful.  I can delight in the Lord during suffering and rest in His joy.  I can rejoice in God during suffering.  It is hard to find joy in the fact that I am suffering.  I can know in my head that it is for good or that God will bring good out of it, but intense pain is what it is.

This may sound bad but it's meant for good:

There are various reasons why we may have difficulties and suffering in our lives, and knowing the reason helps us to respond to those hardships and sufferings appropriately.

We may be suffering because God is testing our faith, like He tested Job's. 

We may be suffering because God has given us a thorn in the flesh, like He gave Paul, to keep us humble.

We may be having difficulties because we are out of God's will in some way---trying to force open a door He has purposely closed or to go in a direction He doesn't want us to go.

We may be suffering because we are being persecuted.

Or we may be suffering because God is disciplining us because we are disobeying Him, like Jonah. (If we think we're in Job's situation when we're actually in Jonah's, patiently enduring isn't the right response.)

God means all of these things for our good, but getting the good out of them depends on knowing what is really going on and why.

Edited January 25, 2018 by LightShinesInTheDarkness
additional thought

[frienduff thaylorde]

5 hours ago, Willa said:

While I believe these things, during the suffering it is sometimes difficult to find suffering joyful.  I can delight in the Lord during suffering and rest in His joy.  I can rejoice in God during suffering.  It is hard to find joy in the fact that I am suffering.  I can know in my head that it is for good or that God will bring good out of it, but intense pain is what it is.

Now no chastening seems joyous but rather grievious, but it sure does birth the fruits of righteousness to those who go through it .

Willa  ,   in case you don't know ,  YOU LOVED TOO SISTER.    you are .    praise the Lord sister.   praise the Lord.  

[MMAlex]

14 hours ago, Justin Adams said:

I think I understand you. I have noticed that scriptures are used mostly as support for some belief system that somebody else has formulated.

For instance: how many bible colleges were based on the Scofield bible? The 'translation' that assured the reader of a pre-trib rapture. How many thousands have taken that as given without studying for themselves. This is just one example I have at present to give us an idea of how man's ideas have supplanted the truth of scripture.

Can you go into this further? What is the "pre-trib rapture?"

[Justin Adams]

7 hours ago, MMAlex said:

Can you go into this further? What is the "pre-trib rapture?"

Yes, I could but it is a long story and before I am part way thru, the thread will be quashed due to the self styled 'thought police' that get the threads off topic and turn them into insult sharing diatribes.

Just watch a few youtube videos on 'pre-tribulation rapture' and you will get the idea. Then watch a couple about the opposing view. Then get back to me.

[frienduff thaylorde]

16 hours ago, Justin Adams said:

Yes, I could but it is a long story and before I am part way thru, the thread will be quashed due to the self styled 'thought police' that get the threads off topic and turn them into insult sharing diatribes.

Just watch a few youtube videos on 'pre-tribulation rapture' and you will get the idea. Then watch a couple about the opposing view. Then get back to me.

The thing is Justin.   When paul is addressing the thessolonian church,   What DAY is he telling of .   NOT the DAY OF ANTI CHRIST but the COMING OF OUR LORD

IF people would understand that , they would see that ALL those things have to come BEFORE JESUS DAY.    oh yeah, but most just sit under men who twist twist away.

NOW you know church what withholds THAT JESUS may be revealed IN HIS DAY.    the subject was THE COMING OF OUR LORD and our gathering together unto HIM.

SO yeah,  NOW we do know what has to occur BEFORE JESUS DAY.    iwish everyone would just go back and read that letter again.   

In fact its why they had to invent TWO comings of JESUS.    FOR AT the COMING of the LORD he destroys this one  < WAS KILLING THEY PRE TRIB REAL BAD.

so yes, they invented two comings.    had too.  they was being shot down like o grady over the desert .