Hats in church

[yomotalking]

Men of my age still tip their hats to ladies when we meet them.  We open doors for them, and carry large packages for them. 

Society itself has declined........it is a shame....people's respect for each other has gone downhill.....*sigh*

(To be honest, I almost respect men who are like the men in your quotation, Leonard!)

Yomo

[Abigailwc]

Actually, I have been told that I should either cover my head when I go to church or not go to church if I don't do it. Because I have been going to church without covering my head I have been told that I disobey God, as the Bible says in 1Corinthians 11 that a man should not cover his head, but a women should.

[Ovedya]

Actually, I have been told that I should either cover my head when I go to church or not go to church if I don't do it.  Because I have been going to church without covering my head I have been told that I disobey God, as the Bible says in 1Corinthians 11 that a man should not cover his head, but a women should.

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This is quite legalistic. For a woman to cover her head is a matter of her own conscience and maturity in the Lord.

As far as wearing hats in the church meeting, it's just a matter of being polite and respectful toward other members of the Body. For someone to insist on keeping his hat on after another member has asked him in a gentle manner to remove it, speaks volumes about his vision of the church and his love of the Body of Christ (in my opinion).

There was a time - not too long ago, in fact, that it was considered rude to leave your hat on in the presence of a lady. But in today's culture it is not considered rude at all. But wearing a hat indoors is still considered rude in most places.

[Deez131]

Was the original poster asking if there was anything biblically wrong with wearing a hat or were you just concerned with the social aspect of it?

If someone wants to nail you - biblically - on it, I might look for another church. If they're talking just the social aspect of it.....take it off. Why do it if it bothers someone? Is there a reason you have it on all the time? Are we talking baseball hat or what?

I was always taught that when you pray, stand for the anthem or pledge, or sit down at the table to eat, you are to take your hat off. I've taught that to my boys because I think it is a basic good practice.

Leonard, I agree with you. It's a shame that those things are not taught to the majority of kids today.

[hmh]

It's a matter of respect that men should take their hats off inside any building. The military is very uptight in regards to this. I hardly ever wear a hat except when I'm on my weekend at my reserve unit, but when I see males wearing hats inside a building, it still burns me. Just one of my hang-ups.

[Work in Progress]

Hear, hear! Other One:

[Work in Progress]

This is quite legalistic.

Ovedya - are you calling it "legalistic" because they are forcing her to obey the Word? While I agree that one should never be forced, I don't call obeying the Word legalistic. My definition of "legalistic" is being told that you must or must not do something that is a gray area. The headcovering for the female is not a gray area.

[Ovedya]

Here's something I found on the web:

HAT ETIQUETTE

The Rules..

There are two degrees of politeness demonstrated by a gentleman wearing a hat:

1. Lifting or tipping it, which you generally do for strangers.

2. Taking it off, which you generally do for friends (or in some cases, as a sign of patriotism or reverence).

Both are done as a sign of respect toward the other and dignity toward oneself.

Tipping your hat is a conventional gesture, done by barely lifting it off your head with your right hand (or the left hand if the right hand is occupied): By the crown of a soft hat, or the brim of a stiff one. Your cigarette, pipe or cigar should always be taken out of your mouth before removing or tipping your hat. This is a subtle gesture that should not be confused with bowing.

A man takes off his hat outdoors (and indoors):

(1) When he is being introduced to someone, or when saying goodbye to a woman, elder, friend or ;

(2) As a greeting when passing someone he knows, particularly a lady, on the street (In some cases, tipping or lifting a hat and bowing slightly may be used as a substitute for removing a hat, as a passing gesture);

(3) While talking, particularly with a woman, an older man, or a clergyman;

(4) While the National Anthem is being played, or the American Flag is passing;

(5) At a funeral or in the presence of a passing funeral procession,

(6) When speaking to another of a virtuous woman or a dearly departed loved one.

A man tips or lifts his hat:

(1) when walking with a friend who passes a woman only the friend knows;

(2) any time a lady who is a stranger thanks you for some service or assistance;

(3) any time you excuse yourself to a woman stranger, such as if you accidentally disturb or jostle her in a crowd, or when you ask for pardon when passing in a tight space or when forced to walk between two people that are conversing, particularly if one is a woman;

(4) any time a stranger shows courtesy to a woman you are accompanying, such as when a man or woman picks up something she has dropped, or a man opens a door for her or gives her his seat;

(5) when you ask a woman (or an elderly man) for directions.

Indoors, a man should always remove his hat, (particularly in a home, church, court room or restaurant) except:

(1) in public buildings or public places such as railroad stations or post offices;

(2) in the main parlor area of a saloon or general store;

(3) or while seated at the "lunch counter" of a diner or cafe;

(4) in entrance halls and corridors of office buildings, or hotels;

(5) in elevators of public or office buildings, unless a woman is present;

(6) if carrying packages, parcels or bags and both hands are occupied upon entry.

(7) If the man is an actor or performer and the hat is being worn as a part of a costume or performance.

If in doubt, it is best for a gentleman to remove his hat indoors as soon as practical. It is considered a sign of contempt and/or disrespect to leave your hat on when it would be proper to remove it. It is surprising how many people do not remove their hats for the National Anthem or a passing funeral procession.. a shame really..

Taken from: http://www.bcvc.net/hats/

[hmh]

It's an indication that respect and proper etiquette are not being taught today. I did not learn alot about etiquette until I joined the military.

Edited April 18, 2005 by hmh

[Leonard]

Thank you Ovedya for the formal, written info. I'd never seen it put down in writing before; it was simply TAUGHT by my parents, and the parents of everyone I knew.

Public discourse has declined greatly as people have grown more and more disrespectful of their fellow man. One of my rules for dating my daughter was that unless they were going to a bar-be-que or a dog fight, the boy better be wearing a tie when he came to pick her up!

Oh I was a beast! The most horribly old-fashioned father ever! I ruined her social life!

My daughter did not have a child out of wedlock, and married a young engineer, who, by the age of 24 had saved $300,000!!!