inchrist Posted February 28, 2018 Group: Non-Trinitarian Followers: 3 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 3,490 Content Per Day: 0.96 Reputation: 88 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/29/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted February 28, 2018 8 hours ago, iamlamad said: Matthew 11:13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. Wow! One "age" ends and another begins, yet the word "age" is not written. It is doubtful we will ever agree on this. Really... did all the prophets end until John? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamlamad Posted February 28, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 23 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 8,272 Content Per Day: 2.08 Reputation: 689 Days Won: 4 Joined: 06/09/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted February 28, 2018 8 hours ago, inchrist said: Really... did all the prophets end until John? A new dispensation is really a simple concept. All God is telling us is that the old dispensation ended and a new one arrived: the dispensation of Emmanuel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamlamad Posted February 28, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 23 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 8,272 Content Per Day: 2.08 Reputation: 689 Days Won: 4 Joined: 06/09/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted February 28, 2018 14 hours ago, Last Daze said: It's sad when a "term search" and "copy / paste" tries to pass for exegesis. I met a man once that had the whole New Testament and Psalms memorized. Sadly, I don't. I have to search. It is OK that you don't believe in dispensations. They happen anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Daze Posted February 28, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 84 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,011 Content Per Day: 1.12 Reputation: 2,519 Days Won: 4 Joined: 07/17/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted February 28, 2018 37 minutes ago, iamlamad said: It is OK that you don't believe in dispensations. They happen anyway. The righteous have only ever been justified by faith as Hebrews 11 points out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Adams Posted February 28, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 25 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 9,606 Content Per Day: 3.97 Reputation: 7,795 Days Won: 21 Joined: 09/11/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted February 28, 2018 (edited) Maybe understanding the Plan will safeguard against falling away. Perhaps from the Lord High God's perspective we might see that the nations (gentiles) with their principalities and powers (archons) were left to their own devices for a time while God took a few people and made them His People. He then used Israel (His Chosen) to work out His purposes among the nations (gentiles) until Messiah. Yeshua won back the birthright that had been lost at the FALL and the Lord High God now turns His attention back to the nations (gentiles). They were to be saved thru the Israelis from the beginning and so now were put on an equal footing with Israel. Yeshua redeemed Yahweh's creation that by Him had been brought into existence. Grafting the nations back into the true vine (ever extant as Yeshua) and taking the two twigs (two plus ten tribes) and making them into ONE accomplished more than one thing. Yeshua FIXED/is fixing the problems that the fallen angels had perpetuated on creation, He regathers the peoples that were scattered at Babel and He saves us all from the FALL of the first Adam (or Edom as Saul says). A mystery. This was His plan from before the beginning of the world. He now will apply Justice and Mercy in perfect balance, end our world after His Millennial plan is complete. Then He creates a New Heaven and a New Earth, brings down New Jerusalem and lives face to face with His People for all eternity. This is His Plan that He will accomplish. Edited February 28, 2018 by Justin Adams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamlamad Posted February 28, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 23 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 8,272 Content Per Day: 2.08 Reputation: 689 Days Won: 4 Joined: 06/09/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted February 28, 2018 51 minutes ago, Last Daze said: The righteous have only ever been justified by faith as Hebrews 11 points out. WE have faith in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, and faith that His blood washes away our sins - and even the guilt of sins. During the Old Covenant they had faith in the animal sacrifices to cover their sins for one year. Yes, salvation has always come by faith. But back then, when the High Priest was sprinking the blood on the mercy seat, they had no idea that God was saving them on credit - that their sins were being charged to a Mastercard. But one day the MASTER came, and died for their sins ONCE and for all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inchrist Posted February 28, 2018 Group: Non-Trinitarian Followers: 3 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 3,490 Content Per Day: 0.96 Reputation: 88 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/29/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted February 28, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, iamlamad said: A new dispensation is really a simple concept. All God is telling us is that the old dispensation ended and a new one arrived: the dispensation of Emmanuel. No God didnt do that all Matthew 11:13 Is about all the prophecies and laws pertaining to Christs first advent.....as you clearly know there are still plenty of prophecies that still need to be fulfilled. However what did happen was a change from the practical priesthood to the melzedech priesthood. The old testament into the new testament wasn't a dispensation, but rather a coming into maturity. Edited February 28, 2018 by inchrist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inchrist Posted February 28, 2018 Group: Non-Trinitarian Followers: 3 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 3,490 Content Per Day: 0.96 Reputation: 88 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/29/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted February 28, 2018 12 minutes ago, iamlamad said: WE have faith in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, and faith that His blood washes away our sins - and even the guilt of sins. During the Old Covenant they had faith in the animal sacrifices to cover their sins for one year. Yes, salvation has always come by faith. But back then, when the High Priest was sprinking the blood on the mercy seat, they had no idea that God was saving them on credit - that their sins were being charged to a Mastercard. But one day the MASTER came, and died for their sins ONCE and for all. Nope; John the Baptist was a high priest and he knew full well that Christ came to be that "mastercard" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamlamad Posted February 28, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 23 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 8,272 Content Per Day: 2.08 Reputation: 689 Days Won: 4 Joined: 06/09/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted February 28, 2018 1 hour ago, inchrist said: Nope; John the Baptist was a high priest and he knew full well that Christ came to be that "mastercard" That is why the scripture tells us, "until John..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamlamad Posted February 28, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 23 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 8,272 Content Per Day: 2.08 Reputation: 689 Days Won: 4 Joined: 06/09/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted February 28, 2018 1 hour ago, inchrist said: No God didnt do that all Matthew 11:13 Is about all the prophecies and laws pertaining to Christs first advent.....as you clearly know there are still plenty of prophecies that still need to be fulfilled. However what did happen was a change from the practical priesthood to the melzedech priesthood. The old testament into the new testament wasn't a dispensation, but rather a coming into maturity. Call it what you want. Really, "dispensation" is a good word for the change. The root word is "dispense" meaning to give out. At Mt Sinai, the law was dispensed. Hebrews 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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