TheMatrixHasU71 Posted March 7, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 21 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,573 Content Per Day: 0.51 Reputation: 723 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted March 7, 2018 3 hours ago, simplejeff said: When YHVH writes TORAH in their hearts, and they do as YHVH wants joyfully, what are they ? Justified or unjustified to keep it simple. They are justified but I already said there was some dispensation for those in the early days who never heard the gospel or the name of Christ but lived as though they already had the law on their hearts. But there can be no excuse today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LovelyJoni Posted March 8, 2018 Group: Junior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 109 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 92 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/26/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/30/1978 Share Posted March 8, 2018 Billy Graham said that God is calling a people to Himself out of every religion in the world. Not that all religions lead to God. It's funny how the devil twists his words and a lot of Christian's (especially the one's who think they have extra discernment) actually lack discernment and are doing the work of the devil without even realizing. If you think of yourself as something extra special and especially strong in the Lord maybe you should think again. The meek shall confound the wise. And just so you know Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus and people of other faiths are being saved everyday. Of course then they become ex Muslims but that was what Billy Graham was saying. Shame on you "wise" people. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplejeff Posted March 8, 2018 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.39 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted March 8, 2018 What post are you replying to, and do you realize that is NOT what he said ? (look in internet search to find out though - it would just derail this thread to go into it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplejeff Posted March 8, 2018 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.39 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted March 8, 2018 10 hours ago, TheMatrixHasU71 said: They are justified but I already said there was some dispensation for those in the early days who never heard the gospel or the name of Christ but lived as though they already had the law on their hearts. But there can be no excuse today What is written ? Not: "as though they already had". Also, no time limit to the early days only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christine Posted March 8, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 38 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,058 Content Per Day: 0.41 Reputation: 1,031 Days Won: 5 Joined: 04/29/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted March 8, 2018 (edited) On 02/03/2018 at 8:14 PM, starsong4 said: If someone doesn't know about Christ, and has never heard of Christ, then where do they go when they die? Hello @starsong4, The only reason this question has to be asked at all, is because man is under the impression that he has an immortal soul. Yet we are told in Scripture that only God Himself has immortality. ‘ ... that you keep the commandment without spot and without blame until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ. For He in His own time will reveal Who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings and Lord of lords, Who alone has immortality, dwelling in light which cannot be approached, Whom no one of men have seen, nor can see; to Whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.’ (1Tim. 6:14-16) * Also we are told in (Eze 18:4 & 20) ' ... the soul that sinneth it shall die ... ' * Eternal life is a gift of God, given to those who have been saved by His grace, by the faith of Christ, through Whom we are saved on the basis of His sacrificial offering of Himself in our place, thus paying the penalty for our sin. For, 'The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord' (Rom. 6:23). * There is no life apart from resurrection. In Christ Jesus Chris Edited March 8, 2018 by Christine 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMatrixHasU71 Posted March 8, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 21 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,573 Content Per Day: 0.51 Reputation: 723 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted March 8, 2018 11 hours ago, simplejeff said: What is written ? Not: "as though they already had". Also, no time limit to the early days only. Then you are also pretty much saying that half the world's population from Christ onwards can get to heaven by their own good works when Christ makes it pretty clear that NO ONE comes to the Father but by Him and we must accept His sacrifice and Lordship to be saved. Unless one has a very very good reason why they cannot. And unless you are a baby in body or in mind then otherwise such people are pretty rare nowadays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplejeff Posted March 8, 2018 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.39 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted March 8, 2018 4 minutes ago, TheMatrixHasU71 said: such people are pretty rare nowadays JUST as it is written in Scripture, yes. 4 minutes ago, TheMatrixHasU71 said: Then you are also pretty much saying that half the world's population from Christ onwards can get to heaven by their own good works No one gets to heaven by their own good works. Without faith it is impossible to please YHVH. If YHVH writes TORAH on someones heart (as it says in ROMANS, even gentiles!) does YHVH do this if they have no faith ? His Word is ALWAYS TRUTH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMatrixHasU71 Posted March 8, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 21 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,573 Content Per Day: 0.51 Reputation: 723 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted March 8, 2018 11 hours ago, simplejeff said: What post are you replying to, and do you realize that is NOT what he said ? (look in internet search to find out though - it would just derail this thread to go into it) Umm yeah that is exactly what Graham said. He said there are many in Islam and other religions who are part of the body of Christ who will be in heaven even when they do not know Christ. I saw that video clip of him speaking on the Crystal Cathedral blasphemy tv show. Total garbage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMatrixHasU71 Posted March 8, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 21 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,573 Content Per Day: 0.51 Reputation: 723 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted March 8, 2018 7 minutes ago, simplejeff said: If YHVH writes TORAH on someones heart (as it says in ROMANS, even gentiles!) does YHVH do this if they have no faith ? His Word is ALWAYS TRUTH. You know what....there are lots of people in the world who have the Torah written on their hearts and follow Islam, Buddhism, and other religions. Does that mean they are saved if they die not knowing Christ? They are following false gods. Someone brought up here Why would God let people be born who are just going to perish if they dont know God. Well, there have been many millions of people since the beginning of time who died not knowing the truth. Good people and evil. And they perished and many are awaiting their judgment in hell. Do you think that God wanted to lose the people of sodom and Gomorrah? They died and are lost. I will not pretend to be able to judge the state of every unsaved soul (and as I said there are definitely some exceptions) but I will hold fast to the bible. NO ONE cometh unto the Father BUT BY ME. Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplejeff Posted March 8, 2018 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.39 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted March 8, 2018 34 minutes ago, TheMatrixHasU71 said: You know what....there are lots of people in the world who have the Torah written on their hearts and follow Islam, Buddhism, and other religions. Does that mean they are saved if they die not knowing Christ? They are following false gods. Woops. Why do you think, who told you, those ones have TORAH written on their hearts ? TORAH rejects those idols and idolatry. (and most all religions and religious types) doesn't it ? =============================================================== Then, as written, even those who have TORAH, if they only HEAR TORAH, and do not DO TORAH, they are hearers only and not doers, they are NOT JUSTIFIED, remember ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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