Not this israel

[Guest shiloh357]

8 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

The USA gives billions of dollars to the state of Israel for weapons.It is the USA that has made the Israeli goverment a great millitary.Not God.

If they were Gods Israel they wouldn't need weapons or walls.But because they are not Gods Israel they will continue beggigthe USA for help. 

 

 

False.  Israel defeated 6 Arab nations singlehandedly completely alone in 1947 and the US didn't send them even a box of bullets. They had infierior numbers, being outnumbered 100 to one on the battlefield and no benefit of air support/cover. 

The same pretty much holds true for the Six Day War as far as being outnumbered by 70-1. 

The US did send weapons to Israel during the Yom Kipppur War, but Israel had already repelled the invasion and pushed the Egyptians to within 30 miles of Cairo in the south and pushed the Syrians within 40 miles of Damascus before the US weapons arrived.  Israel won all of it's major wars and American weapons were not the deciding factor in any of them. 

Israel's major victories are not studied by the West Point Academy that studies the wars of antiquity because those victories cannot be explained militarily.   Israel was already winning with God's hand and by His power without any help from the US.

Edited May 1, 2018 by shiloh357

[Shilohsfoal]

2 minutes ago, Davida said:

You have a lot of hate towards Israel and the Jewish people--- why? 

http://biblehub.com/john/8-44.htm

[Guest shiloh357]

1 minute ago, Shilohsfoal said:

http://biblehub.com/john/8-44.htm

No, that was only directed at Jesus enemies among the Jewish religious leadership.   Jesus was not saying that to all Jews.   Your hatred of Jews is demonic.   Jesus is a Jew.  

You cannot hate the Jews and claim to love the King of the Jews. 

[Shilohsfoal]

2 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

False.  Israel defeated 6 Arab nations singlehandedly and the US didn't send them even a box of bullets.   The same holds true for the Six Day War.   The US did send weapons to Israel during the Yom Kipppur War, but Israel had already repelled the invasion and pushed the Egyptians to within 30 miles of Cairo in the south and pushed the Syrians within 40 miles of Damascus before the US weapons arrived.  Israel won all of it's major wars and American weapons were not the deciding factor in any of them. 

Israel's major victories are not studied by the West Point Academy that studies the wars of antiquity because those victories cannot be explained militarily.   Israel was already winning with God's hand and by His power without any help from the US.

38 billion dollars through 2028 for Israel defense spending.

Thats why israels millitary is so powerful.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.jpost.com/Israel-News/Graham-calls-for-renegotiation-of-US-defense-deal-with-Israel-553077/amp#ampshare=https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Graham-calls-for-renegotiation-of-US-defense-deal-with-Israel-553077

But if they were Gods Israel, they wouldnt even need military.

[Shilohsfoal]

2 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

No, that was only directed at Jesus enemies among the Jewish religious leadership.   Jesus was not saying that to all Jews.   Your hatred of Jews is demonic.   Jesus is a Jew.  

You cannot hate the Jews and claim to love the King of the Jews. 

Netanyahu is thier chosen leader.

[Guest shiloh357]

Just now, Shilohsfoal said:

38 billion dollars through 2028 for Israel defense spending.

Thats why israels millitary is so powerful.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.jpost.com/Israel-News/Graham-calls-for-renegotiation-of-US-defense-deal-with-Israel-553077/amp#ampshare=https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Graham-calls-for-renegotiation-of-US-defense-deal-with-Israel-553077

But if they were Gods Israel, they wouldnt even need military.

And so far you have not explained it is wrong for Israel to have a powerfulmilitary.  

So are you going to tell me that when Israel was ruled by King David, they were not God's Israel because they had an army?

[Guest shiloh357]

1 minute ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Netanyahu is thier chosen leader.

Why don't you just go post at a KKK message board where your racist, bigoted views would be welcomed?

[Shilohsfoal]

6 minutes ago, Sojourner414 said:

Instead of looking at just one verse of Ezekiel 38, let's read that verse in context:

 "And the word of the LORD came to me saying,  “Son of man, set your face toward Gog of the land of Magog, the prince of Rosh, Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him and say, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD, “Behold, I am against you, O Gog, prince of Rosh, Meshech and Tubal. “I will turn you about and put hooks into your jaws, and I will bring you out, and all your army, horses and horsemen, all of them splendidly attired, a great company with buckler and shield, all of them wielding swords; Persia, Ethiopia and Put with them, all of them with shield and helmet; Gomer with all its troops; Beth-togarmah from the remote parts of the north with all its troops—many peoples with you.  “Be prepared, and prepare yourself, you and all your companies that are assembled about you, and be a guard for them. “After many days you will be summoned; in the latter years you will come into the land that is restored from the sword, whose inhabitants have been gathered from many nations to the mountains of Israel which had been a continual waste; but its people were brought out from the nations, and they are living securely, all of them. “You will go up, you will come like a storm; you will be like a cloud covering the land, you and all your troops, and many peoples with you.” ‘Thus says the Lord GOD, “It will come about on that day, that thoughts will come into your mind and you will devise an evil plan, and you will say, ‘I will go up against the land of unwalled villages. I will go against those who are at rest, that live securely, all of them living without walls and having no bars or gates, to capture spoil and to seize plunder, to turn your hand against the waste places which are now inhabited, and against the people who are gathered from the nations, who have acquired cattle and goods, who live at the center of the world.’ “Sheba and Dedan and the merchants of Tarshish with all its villages will say to you, ‘Have you come to capture spoil? Have you assembled your company to seize plunder, to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to capture great spoil?’”’ “Therefore prophesy, son of man, and say to Gog, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD, “On that day when My people Israel are living securely, will you not know it? “You will come from your place out of the remote parts of the north, you and many peoples with you, all of them riding on horses, a great assembly and a mighty army; and you will come up against My people Israel like a cloud to cover the land. It shall come about in the last days that I will bring you against My land, so that the nations may know Me when I am sanctified through you before their eyes, O Gog.” ‘Thus says the Lord GOD, “Are you the one of whom I spoke in former days through My servants the prophets of Israel, who prophesied in those days for many years that I would bring you against them? “It will come about on that day, when Gog comes against the land of Israel,” declares the Lord GOD, “that My fury will mount up in My anger. “In My zeal and in My blazing wrath I declare that on that day there will surely be a great earthquake in the land of Israel. “The fish of the sea, the birds of the heavens, the beasts of the field, all the creeping things that creep on the earth, and all the men who are on the face of the earth will shake at My presence; the mountains also will be thrown down, the steep pathways will collapse and every wall will fall to the ground. “I will call for a sword against him on all My mountains,” declares the Lord GOD. “Every man’s sword will be against his brother. “With pestilence and with blood I will enter into judgment with him; and I will rain on him and on his troops, and on the many peoples who are with him, a torrential rain, with hailstones, fire and brimstone. “I will magnify Myself, sanctify Myself, and make Myself known in the sight of many nations; and they will know that I am the LORD.”’ (Ezekiel chapter 38, NASB, emphasis mine)

"Restored from the sword, whose inhabitants were gathered from many nations"; not replaced, but the nation of Israel brought back from being scattered.

Now, let's read your chosen verse from from Matthew 21, this time though, in context:

“Listen to another parable. There was a landowner who PLANTED A VINEYARD AND PUT A WALL AROUND IT AND DUG A WINE PRESS IN IT, AND BUILT A TOWER, and rented it out to vine-growers and went on a journey. “When the harvest time approached, he sent his slaves to the vine-growers to receive his produce. “The vine-growers took his slaves and beat one, and killed another, and stoned a third. Again he sent another group of slaves larger than the first; and they did the same thing to them. But afterward he sent his son to them, saying, ‘They will respect my son.’ But when the vine-growers saw the son, they said among themselves, ‘This is the heir; come, let us kill him and seize his inheritance.’ They took him, and threw him out of the vineyard and killed him. Therefore when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those vine-growers?” They said to Him, “He will bring those wretches to a wretched end, and will rent out the vineyard to other vine-growers who will pay him the proceeds at the proper seasons.” Jesus said to them, “Did you never read in the Scriptures,  ‘THE STONE WHICH THE BUILDERS REJECTED,  THIS BECAME THE CHIEF CORNER stone;  THIS CAME ABOUT FROM THE LORD,  AND IT IS MARVELOUS IN OUR EYES’? “Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people, producing the fruit of it. And he who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces; but on whomever it falls, it will scatter him like dust.” When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard His parables, they understood that He was speaking about them. When they sought to seize Him, they feared the people, because they considered Him to be a prophet." (Matthew 21:33-46, NASB, emphasis mine)

 "When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard His parables, they understood that He was speaking about them."   These religious leaders are warned that they are not going to inherit the Kingdom of God; and indeed, by the time Israel returned to their land in 1948, these were gone.

Scripture clearly indicates that the Lord isn't finished with Israel, and still has promises to keep to the nation; that is the same nation, who will be living in peace and without walls when Gog and Magog come to try to invade. What Matthew 21 is talking about here is that the Kingdom of God, which will come in the Millennial Reign, will only be given to those who are redeemed; those that survive the Tribulation and accept the Lord as the Messiah well as those believers who are raptured before the Tribulation. There will be 1/3 of the Jews left in the land (a remnant) whom the Lord will preserve in a prepared place (See Rev. 12 for details). What is taken away is the offer of the kingdom of God at that point,  and it will be given to those Jews who finally accept Jesus as their messiah at that time.

But as of 1948, the Nation of Israel has returned to her homeland, as promised in Scriptures; God did not give Israel’s kingdom to nations (plural, as in Gentiles in the Body of Christ).

 

 

I agree.The remnant will be saved,

During that time the land will heal from armegeddon.

The kingdom will be taken away from the leaders(goverment).

And the Israelis who do not worship the Israeli goverment, nor recieve its mark and die for thier testimony of Christ will will be resurrected and shall reign with Christ for 1000 years.

They are the peaceful people who will dwell in Israel without walls.Completely safe.

 

 

[Shilohsfoal]

10 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

Why don't you just go post at a KKK message board where your racist, bigoted views would be welcomed?

Save us Donald trump,deliver us from our enemies.

[Marilyn C]

2 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Scripture speaks of a people who dwell in the land of Israel .A peaceful and unsuspecting people living in safety without walls .

http://biblehub.com/ezekiel/38-11.htm

Well that Israel is definitely not the same people who live in the land of Israel today.The peoplewho live in Israel today are not peaceful.They dont live In safety and they are building walls all around them.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2018/04/israel-walled-approach-nationhood-180430140238422.html#ampshare=https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/04/israel-walled-approach-nationhood-180430140238422.html

This kingdom shall be taken from them and given to a peaceful people who live in unwalled villages in safety for God is with them.

http://biblehub.com/matthew/21-43.htm

Hi Shilohsfoal,

The story has not yet finished. There are lots of Israeli villages outside the walls that Israel put up. And...next year we will probably see a settling of the conflict in Syria and Iraq, so there will be peace in that region, (note: before the Russian War).

Thus scripture will yet be fulfilled. You are too quick to judge when the story has not yet been played out.

Marilyn.