Suicide

[eric]

Thank you Angels. When I person has a nervous breakdown, they dont know what they are doing most of the time. Some people with altzimers(sp) disease done even know who their spouses are, let alone remember who Jesus is, but the Lord surely doesn't forget who they are.

Bless you Angels,

eric.

[Guest shadow2b]

-I am also mindful that Jesus Himself, came into this world, knowing beforehand what fate awaited Him. Yet entered into it knowing that it would ultimately lead to His own death. If a man does something that leads to his own death, irregardless of whatever reason he has for doing it. It is considered suicide in the eyes of man. Self death. Yet Jesus said they did not take His life, He laid it down. Because of that, it could be argued that they were responsible for His death, not Himself, and it was a righteous death. Which it was! But He came to give His life a ransom for many. He knew beforehand what would bring His death, and entered into it. And I thank God that He did!

-THIS AINT GOIN WHERE YA THINK IT IS-- SO HOLD A MINUTE--NO PIES PLEASE----yet---

-ROM.6.vs.23------

-For the wages of sin is death;but the gift of GOD is eternal life through JESUS CHRIST our LORD......

-IF you follow the thinking of the scriptures --as stated in Ricks post-as well as Rom.6.vs.23---

-SIN produces "death"--ever since the first sin by Adam{big dummy}-since it is "SIN" that brings

-about the death of the body{which by the way was designed to last an eternity}...The body or

-skin is always renewing itself up to a certain age NOW{since Adam--the big dummy willingly

-sinned to be with his bride--Eve-}any way JESUS stated that the devil{had nothing in HIM}....

-John.14.vs.30------SO "IF" there was NO sin in JESUS--nothing that produced "death"& "IF" JESUS

-had not "LAID DOWN HIS LIFE"---HE WOULD STILL BE HANGING ON THE CROSS{hypothetically}

-JESUS--{gave up -the GHOST}Matt.27.vs.50----Mark.15.vs.37---Luke.23.vs.46---John.19.vs.30---

-The scriptures also declare that JESUS HIMSELF stated that no man takes my life--I lay it down--

-that I might take it again---John.10.vss.17-18----

-SO taking that into account with the topic of this thread---did JESUS committ suicide????surely

-nobody would suggest such a thing ----would they???that would be SIN would it not??

-interesting concept for those that are "legalistic" huhh???

[Jedi4Yahweh]

Hi,

I am not qualified to tell you if a person that commits suicide will go to heave or hell. The bible says that we are not even qualifed to judge our own salvation, becaue we all we have to stand before God and give account. God is the only one that is qualifed to say one has eternal life or death. So I will not judge no man before his time, I will let God be the judge of ones salvation and eternal destiny. God is the only one that knows a persons heart we can not.

Just let God be the judge.

God bless,

[CWJ]

1 John 5:13..."These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God."

[angels4u]

Hi Jedi,

Please explain:The bible says that we are not even qualifed to judge our own salvation,

Thanks, Angels

[Guest dove2]

I thought the Bible said to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling?

[Jedi4Yahweh]

Hi Jedi,

Please explain:The bible says that we are not even qualifed to judge our own salvation,

Thanks, Angels

Hi,

Like I said we are not qualifed to judge others or ourselves because our judgement is not God's Judgement. We can in no wise see a persons heart only God does. God judges people by their heart which is their motives and intentions. We can not decern a persons motives or intentions only God can do that. Most of the time we can not decern out own motives until God shows us. We can only judge by what we see and God says not to judge by sight.

I am not qualifed to tell you that you have eternal life or eternal death because Iam not your judge only God is.

But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged by you, or by man's judgment: yes, I judge not my own self. For I know nothing against myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord. Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord shall come, who will both bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise from God. (1Co 4:3-5)

Are we able to make manifest the counsels of someones heart? Are you able to bring to light the hidden things of darkenss in someone elses life? I have a hard time bringing to light the hidden things of my own heart much less others. I have a hard time understand my own motives and intentions until God convicts me reveals them to me. Do you think your a qualifed Judge of God's servants?

I do believe we can judge for ourselves whats right or wrong in this life but we are not able to judge the conditions of someone's heart or their salvation based our own tainted views. I can Judge and say yes Suicide is wrong and horrible but I can not judge if that person went to hell or heaven. Only God can by that Judge. I can judge and say adultery is wrong but I cant say Joe is going to hell because I am not his judge.

Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth: and he shall be held up: for God is able to make him stand.

(Rom 14:4)

But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at naught thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment-seat of Christ. For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumbling-block, or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.

(Rom 14:10-13)

[Guest shadow2b]

-Hi,

Like I said we are not qualifed to judge others or ourselves because our judgement is not God's Judgement. We can in no wise see a persons heart only God does. God judges people by their heart which is their motives and intentions. We can not decern a persons motives or intentions only God can do that. Most of the time we can not decern out own motives until God shows us. We can only judge by what we see and God says not to judge by sight.

I am not qualifed to tell you that you have eternal life or eternal death because Iam not your judge only God is.

-Judging someones "heart is NOT the issue...Judging their"actions"is entirely Biblical--Either WE CAN

-accept & state what GOD'S WORD tells us;i.e.

-John.6.vs.40---------

-And this is the will of HIM that sent me,that every one which seeth the SON,and believeth on HIM,

-may have everlasting life;and I will raise him up at the last day.....

-Either WE can"BELIEVE" the WORDS of JESUS-YESHUA that {WE--NOW!!!-HAVE ETERNAL LIFE}or

-we can chunk HIS BOOK & HIS WORDS out the window--because we have NO HOPE & HIS WORDS

-ARE EMPTY.......All thru out the BIBLE GOD'S WORD states;I set before you LIFE & DEATH--BLESSING

-& CURSING---CHOOSE LIFE THAT YE MAY LIVE----{CHOOSE means NOW--the dead can't CHOOSE}

-wake up & see the LIFE set before you--"CHOOSE YE THIS DAY"WHOM YE WILL SERVE-----

-Joshua.24.15c-------

-but as for me and my house,we will serve the LORD.....

[Rick]

-I am also mindful that Jesus Himself, came into this world, knowing beforehand what fate awaited Him. Yet entered into it knowing that it would ultimately lead to His own death. If a man does something that leads to his own death, irregardless of whatever reason he has for doing it. It is considered suicide in the eyes of man. Self death. Yet Jesus said they did not take His life, He laid it down. Because of that, it could be argued that they were responsible for His death, not Himself, and it was a righteous death. Which it was! But He came to give His life a ransom for many. He knew beforehand what would bring His death, and entered into it. And I thank God that He did!

-THIS AINT GOIN WHERE YA THINK IT IS-- SO HOLD A MINUTE--NO PIES PLEASE----yet---

-ROM.6.vs.23------

-For the wages of sin is death;but the gift of GOD is eternal life through JESUS CHRIST our LORD......

-IF you follow the thinking of the scriptures --as stated in Ricks post-as well as Rom.6.vs.23---

-SIN produces "death"--ever since the first sin by Adam{big dummy}-since it is "SIN" that brings

-about the death of the body{which by the way was designed to last an eternity}...The body or

-skin is always renewing itself up to a certain age NOW{since Adam--the big dummy willingly

-sinned to be with his bride--Eve-}any way JESUS stated that the devil{had nothing in HIM}....

-John.14.vs.30------SO "IF" there was NO sin in JESUS--nothing that produced "death"& "IF" JESUS

-had not "LAID DOWN HIS LIFE"---HE WOULD STILL BE HANGING ON THE CROSS{hypothetically}

-JESUS--{gave up -the GHOST}Matt.27.vs.50----Mark.15.vs.37---Luke.23.vs.46---John.19.vs.30---

-The scriptures also declare that JESUS HIMSELF stated that no man takes my life--I lay it down--

-that I might take it again---John.10.vss.17-18----

-SO taking that into account with the topic of this thread---did JESUS committ suicide????surely

-nobody would suggest such a thing ----would they???that would be SIN would it not??

-interesting concept for those that are "legalistic" huhh???

" -THIS AINT GOIN WHERE YA THINK IT IS-- SO HOLD A MINUTE--NO PIES PLEASE----yet---"

Gary, you missed out on part the post. No one is stating that Jesus committed suicide. There's a difference between what the world thinks and what a believer thinks.

From the post:

" If a man does something that leads to his own death, irregardless of whatever reason he has for doing it. It is considered suicide in the eyes of man. Self death."

Mankind see's anything that someone does, which leads to their death as suicide. If it defies their reason or logic for doing so, and leads to the death of that person. But Jesus did lay down His life to those He knew would take it. Would it be suicide for you to walk in front of a fast moving train, and knowing what would happen if you stopped? Did Jesus know what would happen to Him? Yes He did! But He allowed it to be anyway.

Did He commit suicide? No way! He was murdered. But the world could see Him allowing it to be done as suicide.

I included this in the post to spur thinking. Just to make everyone consider what suicide is, and what it represents. And that there are various reasons behind it. There is a distinct difference between what Jesus did, and what someone does in the course of a mental breakdown, overwhelming illness, or any of the other reasons people find for doing something that leads to their own death. Jesus had already said that if he laid His life down, he would take it back up again in three days. Something no one else has the liberty or ability of doing. But in doing so, He paid the penalty for the sin debt which was against us. If we believe. Which SOME believe ( including myself) is sufficient to cover all sin, including the sins of those that have taken their own lives. And that He himself has faced situations where His actions would lead to His own death.

My hope was to bring hope to those that had lost someone through suicide and to combat the negative responses that were given in some of the posts.

So no, The post went where I intended for it to go. And Yes! I have a coconut cream pie at the ready position, so grab a fork and lets get started!.

Rick

[Guest shadow2b]

-My hope was to bring hope to those that had lost someone through suicide and to combat the negative responses that were given in some of the posts.

So no, The post went where I intended for it to go. And Yes! I have a coconut cream pie at the ready position, so grab a fork and lets get started!.

Rick

-YOUR hope was very well received Bro. & very timely also....The negative responses come from the

-unlearned--judgemental--legalists--that do not really mean any harm to anyone that has lost a

-loved one thru suicide..{at least I hope they mean no harm??}They just don't understand that it's

-GOD'S JOB to make the rulings or judgements on those individuals......I lost two schoolmates that

-killed them selves--one had just started high-school & was having "girl-friend-problems"I think

-that was the reason--I was still in the 8th grade & my best friend was a year older & one year

-ahead of me in school & he had started his first year in high-school & knew this fellow better than

-I did & I think the "girl-friend problem"was what he told me....Another friend I grew up with was a

-few years older than me & had already graduated from high-school but my best friend & this fella

-kinda hung out together a little bit,,,Any how this guy was an electrical genius, he could fix

-anything electrical--radios-tv's-stereos--car electrical systems--& even built crystal radios we all

-had....His only problem was he had polio{just like I had} but a more serious case.... His right arm

-& right leg were crippled but didn't keep him from working on any thing electrical--he had a small

-appliance-repair business but his social life was non-existent--except for me & my other friend--he

- had no other friends or girlfriend....He just went home one day turned the gas oven on & stuck

-his head in it..His mom & dad found him that way when they came home from work that day.....

-Come to think of it I lost several friends or people that I went to school with, one guy was an

-alcoholic that died from chirrosis of the liver & he was just barely into his 30's.....One other "friend"

- I went to school with & hung out with--we even double dated several times--his girl-friend lived

-in the little{at that time}town of Lancaster about 15 miles from Waxahachie where we lived

-anyhow HE got married at 19 or 20 years old & died on his honeymoon night..His brother went to

-see him & his bride{the morning after?}but couldn't get anyone to answer the door & went in &

-found them both on the bed --she was passsed out but he was dead....HE had polio too same

-right leg & right arm was crippled & he had suffered from scarlet fever as a baby...The doctor

-stated that the polio & the combination of the scarlet fever{which caused damage & scarring}to

-the heart{plus the excitement of the wedding night} was just too much for his heart...BUT he did

-produce a daughter which his widow gave birth to exactly 9 months later..to the day....

-Just in the last year or two, my best friends son stuck a 357magnum to his chest & pulled the

-trigger,his son{my best friends grandson} who was about 9 or 10 was in his bedroom when he

-heard the shot & had to call 911---This boy who i held in my arms when he was just a baby &

-looked just like his dad--no way could my friend deny this son--not that he wanted to but I mean

-this kid looked just like him...Now that experience can kinda hurt a bit--Specially when you've held

-this boy in your own arms when he was just a beautiful--blonde-headed-blue-eyed-replica of his

-dad--watched him grow up--then to hear about stuff like that kinda gives you pause to think....

-One other friend died{way too young}& I guess ya could call this suicide---anyhow, her little

-brother-who was about two or three years old at the time & she was nine or ten years old & she

-was giving him a bath{her mom was at work & when she came home from school she would have

-to pick him up from the baby-sitter & take care of him till her mom got home}WeLL, she left the

-baby in the bath-tub to go get a towel or something & when she got back to the bathroom,the

-baby had drowned & back in the 60's there was no 911 to call..... This affected the mother so

-bad she had to be hospitalized for depression & she just got worse but finally they released her &

-she went home...Only problem was---every time this little girl came home from school her mom

-would just hit her in the face with her fist--knocked this kid across the room & then holler & cuss

-her for letting the "baby drown"....Then after this girl married & gave birth to two beautiful little

-girls, her older brother committed suicide with a shotgun & he was just in his early 30's,while at the

-funeral the mother starts screaming at this girl & blaming"HER" for the death of this son....This poor

-young lady started drinking & got into drugs big time....Which caused her & her husband an awful

-lot of problems as well as her two girls would get the slapping & hitting that she had suffered

-as a girl....She would go out at night leave her husband & two kids at home & would get high on

-drugs & alcohol & then have relations with several guys at once or several thru that night & then

-go home & tell her husband & kids about her nights activities..which led to A LOT of marital

-problems....Now this couple TRIED to reconcile all this stuff, even came to church with us & visited

-us quite a bit & we would play cards--canasta--hearts--spades---or just study the BIBLE & pray

-together....But they eventually divorced & one day several years later we get a call from this girl

-& she asked us to visit her{at a nursing home}about 1985 I think,anyhow we go & she looks like

-a skeleton--Just skin & bones & we knew right away she was VERY sick---She stated she had AIDS,

-now this girl was only in her late 30's or early 40's...From all the promiscuity---she explained she

-did all the drugs--alcohol--promiscuity--to{hurt herself & degrade herself}to try & "MAKEUP"for

-the deaths of both of her brothers...That is kind of a {VERY-HEAVY-BURDEN}for a child of 10 or so

-to "CARRY" for all of those years....She said she had "made-peace-with GOD" & asked if I would

-officiate at her funeral---She said she "knew" I wouldn't preach a sermon that"condemned"her

-brother to hell like the jerk preacher did that officiated at his funeral.......YA know??People that do

-that kind of stupid stuff ought to be hung up by their thumbs-----for about a week......Most

-especially those mo--ronns that claim to be preachers--ministers-pastors-I just go ballistic when

-I hear about that kinda stupid--mean--hurtfull-Ignorant stuff.... -WeLL I reckon I've rambled

-on long enough Bro.GOD-BLESS-& I hope this thread brings some relief or encouragement to

-anyone -that has had to-suffer thru a loved one killing themselves & maybe just maybe those that

-have -stuck their ignorant-thoughts out & caused ANY hurt to anyone will"learn"to keep their

-unloving---judgmental-ignorant"opinions" to themselves.GOD-BLESS-YOU-BRO.& MAY-THE-LORD-

-JESUS--YESHUA-&-THE-HOLY-SPIRIT-COMFORT-&-HEAL-ANY-WOUNDS-THEY-HAVE-SUFFERED-THRU-

-THIS--TYPE-OF-TRAGEDY---

-Gary------