Is there a better way to 'do Church'?

[john1]

11 hours ago, Sojourner414 said:

How can one "serve God better" when they are living in open rebellion to Him?

Their actually pushed away by hypocrisy.

 

1 Timothy chapter 1 verse 7,8

 

They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm.

 

We know that the law is good if one uses it properly.

 

Galatians chapter 3 verse 24,25,23

 

So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith.

 

Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.

 

Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. Galatians chapter 5 verse 6 The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself in love.

[john1]

10 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

A gay person cannot serve God since they are in rebellion against God.

Romans chapter 1 verse 28

Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.   I've studied the bible about 150 to 200 times, I go through the entire bible every 3 or 4 weeks, I don't have a depraved mind, I've been studying 36 years.   Read these next verses very carefully and try to understand them. Romans chapter 9 verses 30-Romans chapter 10 verse 4 What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it. Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone. As it is written: See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame. Brothers my heart's desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved. For I can testify about them that they are Zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own the did not submit to God's righteousness, Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.   But this is why I don't go to church I risk and angry mob.   Romans chapter 4 verse 15 because the Law brings wrath. And where there is no law, there is no transgression.

[Guest shiloh357]

7 minutes ago, john1 said:

Romans chapter 1 verse 28

Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.   I've studied the bible about 150 to 200 times, I go through the entire bible every 3 or 4 weeks, I don't have a depraved mind, I've been studying 36 years.   Read these next verses very carefully and try to understand them. Romans chapter 9 verses 30-Romans chapter 10 verse 4 What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it. Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone. As it is written: See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame. Brothers my heart's desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved. For I can testify about them that they are Zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own the did not submit to God's righteousness, Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.   But this is why I don't go to church I risk and angry mob.   Romans chapter 4 verse 15 because the Law brings wrath. And where there is no law, there is no transgression.

None of that has anything to do with what I said.   You clearly don't understand the issue.

[ayin jade]

50 minutes ago, john1 said:

You sin, let me show you righteousness.

 

Matthew chapter 21

³² For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did. And even after you saw this, you did not repent and believe him.

Luke chapter 3

⁷ John said to the crowds coming out to be baptized by him, “You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath? ⁸ Produce fruit in keeping with repentance. And do not begin to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ For I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham. ⁹ The ax is already at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.”

¹⁰ “What should we do then?” the crowd asked.

¹¹ John answered, “Anyone who has two shirts should share with the one who has none, and anyone who has food should do the same.”

¹² Even tax collectors came to be baptized. “Teacher,” they asked, “what should we do?”

¹³ “Don’t collect any more than you are required to,” he told them.

¹⁴ Then some soldiers asked him, “And what should we do?”

He replied, “Don’t extort money and don’t accuse people falsely—be content with your pay.”

I am repentent of sins. So my question stands.

Can an openly gay unrepentent person serve God?

[john1]

25 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

None of that has anything to do with what I said.

That had everything to do with what you said.

[john1]

6 minutes ago, ayin jade said:

I am repentent of sins. So my question stands.

Can an openly gay unrepentent person serve God?

Galatians chapter 5 verse 4

You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.     Yes a openly gay person can serve God look at this. Matthew chapter 25 verses 31-46 When the Son of Man comes" in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. he will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. Then the King will say to those on his right, Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me. then the righteous will answer him, Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and got visit you? The King will reply, I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me. Then he will say to those on his left, Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.They also will answer, Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you? He will reply, I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me. Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.     But do you do that, or do you just drive away people from God just because their sins are different than yours.

[angels4u]

On 7/3/2018 at 4:11 PM, john1 said:

1 John chapter 2 verse 2

He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
 

I think the church of today has some people who please God, but how do you see it if I go to a church the preaches against gay people and don't help them wont people who see me come out of that church think I'm a hypocrite like that.

 

Luke chapter 12 verse 1

 

Meanwhile, when a crowd of many thousands had gathered, so that they were trampling on one another, Jesus began to speak first to his disciples, saying: “Be[a] on your guard against the yeast of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy.     I've seen gay people who serve God better than some church people.     Malachi chapter 3 verse 18 So you will again distinguish between the righteous and the wicked, between those who serve God and those who do not."   Matthew chapter 21 32 For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did. And even after you saw this, you did not repent and believe him. Luke chapter 3 7 John said to the crowds coming out to be baptized by him, “You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath? 8 Produce fruit in keeping with repentance. And do not begin to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ For I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham. 9 The ax is already at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.” 10 “What should we do then?” the crowd asked. 11 John answered, “Anyone who has two shirts should share with the one who has none, and anyone who has food should do the same.” 12 Even tax collectors came to be baptized. “Teacher,” they asked, “what should we do?” 13 “Don’t collect any more than you are required to,” he told them. 14 Then some soldiers asked him, “And what should we do?” He replied, “Don’t extort money and don’t accuse people falsely—be content with your pay.”

 

Hello John ,

Welcome to Worthy

Are you can born again Christian? 

Do you know who Jesus is and do you read the Bible?

The Bible has alot to say about homosexuality,did you read the story of Sodom and Gomorrah?

Jesus can wash us clean as snow,He came to earth to die for our sins,do you know Him?

 

[arachnogeek]

Well this conversation took a turn...

 

I was hoping we would keep it on topic, but I suppose this kind of thing happens every now and then. 

But we shan't digress any longer! 

[john1]

47 minutes ago, angels4u said:

Are you can born again Christian? 

Do you know who Jesus is and do you read the Bible?

The Bible has alot to say about homosexuality,did you read the story of Sodom and Gomorrah?

Jesus can wash us clean as snow,He came to earth to die for our sins,do you know Him?

 

1 John chapter 2 verse 2

He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.     Matthew chapter 9 verse 13   But go and learn what this means: 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners."   Jeremiah chapter 22 verse 16 He defended the cause of the poor and needy, and so all went well. Is that not what it means to know me?" declares the LORD.   I study the bible every 3 to 4 weeks, I study the whole thing and have been doing it 36 years, how about you.

[arachnogeek]

On 7/3/2018 at 4:06 AM, shiloh357 said:

Does something have to be mandated or commanded by God to be allowed in a church setting?

No. For instance, there isn't a command to wear special vestments during Sunday morning worship, yet some protestant pastors choose to wear them.