Honor Killing: Coming to a Neighborhood Near You

[Guest shiloh357]

Ali Mahwood-Awad Irsan, a 60-year-old Jordanian immigrant, was convicted this summer by a Harris County, Texas jury for the “honor killings” of his daughter’s husband, 28-year-old Coty Beavers, and her close friend, Gelareh Bagherzadeh, 30, in two separate shootings in 2012.

Irsan had planned to commit another three murders, intending to kill everyone who helped his daughter leave home to live with the man of her own choice – that is, not someone her father alone decided she was to marry. From the victim's name, it doesn't seem he was Muslim, another strike against his continuing to remain alive after taking a female Muslim partner.

Several women in the household, including Irsan’s wife and another daughter, apparently helped him carry out his murderous plans.

Prosecutors also presented evidence that Irsan had killed another son-in-law nearly two decades ago.

Over 17,000 homicides were committhd in the US in 2017 according to statistics released by the FBI last September. So what difference does it make if another murderer is tried and sentenced to death?

There is a vast difference.  Murders can occur for many reasons, and a murder victim is just as dead no matter what the reason, but this was a case of honor killing, meaning that the murderer was continuing a tradition prevalent throughout the Islamic world - where it does not raise eyebrows and is often considered to be justified homicide.

To quote Human Rights Watch: "Honor killings are acts of vengeance, usually death, committed by male family members against female family members, who are held to have brought dishonor upon the family. A woman can be targeted by (individuals within) her family for a variety of reasons, including: refusing to enter into an arranged marriage, being the victim of a sexual assault, seeking a divorce—even from an abusive husband—or (allegedly) committing adultery. The mere perception that a woman has behaved in a way that "dishonors" her family is sufficient to trigger an attack on her life."

Wikipedia writes: "Methods of killing include stoning, stabbing, beating, burning, beheading, hanging, throat slashing, lethal acid attacks, shooting and strangulation…sometimes performed in public to warn other individuals…"

To quote Amnesty International: "The regime of honor is unforgiving: women on whom suspicion has fallen are not given an opportunity to defend themselves, and family members have no socially acceptable alternative but to remove the stain on their honor by attacking the woman."

Has America unwittingly imported this shocking license to murder? Can this actually be happening in the United States?  The answer, unfortunately, is that an average of 20 honor killings a year now take place in the US, according to the Justice Department. While honor killing also exists in Hindu society and certain others, the murders in the US have been perpetrated by Muslim immigrants.

Professor Phyllis Chesler saw it coming. She is a prolific writer and an internationally recognized expert on the subject, having researched, written and lectured on honor killing for many years, not only as a distinguished academic but as someone who once lived in Afghanistan and who cares deeply about all women of every belief and in every corner of the globe.

Her book "A Family Conspiracy: Honor Killing", published this year, brings the reader the 99 varied articles she wrote from 2004 to 2017 for various media (including Arutz Sheva) attesting to her  many years of monitoring and careful research, knowledge and prescience – or shall we say prophecy - on the subject. It is a shocking read for anyone imbued with the values of western culture, especially the attitude towards women that sees them as equal human beings, not as mere subjugated chattel.

There is no denial that there is domestic violence in the Western world, far too much of it and it is often ignored with tragic results. The difference, says Prof. Chesler, is the way it is judged. In Islam, honor killings are acceptable, not an aberration. In addition, honor killing is accompanied by torture and overkill, even decapitating.

At the start of the book, she writes:  There is no way to 'measure' the incidence of hidden crimes such as incest or honor killing, but to get a picture of the tip of the iceberg, in 2010, 800 women were killed for honor in Pakistan…roughly 900 reported honor killings in northern India alone… 81% of the younger victims, average age 17, were killed by their families of origin" and horrifically often, by other women.

Sometimes she reports, the women who have "strayed" – read the book to find out that straying is a very broad term including talking to another man - are allowed to repent by committing forced suicide, turning themselves into human bombers for  terrorist objectives – and sometimes they have children at their side when this happens. Sometimes they have not even done the minor things that make them deserving of death in the family's eyes, in some regions they are punished for being raped through no fault of their own.

There has been much debate on whether honor killing is part of Islam or not. In a news article written by Bryan Rogers in the Houston Chronicle at the time of the Irzan sentencing, Amy Logan, CEO of Gender Innovation who has worked with the UN and others to empower women, asserted that it is not.  According to Logan, “Islam itself does not condone honor killing, " but no proof of that statement appears in the news article where she is quoted.

Prof. Chesler addresses the question squarely. Anyone who leaves Islam is subject to the death penalty, according to the Koran, she says. See verse 8:12: "I will cast dread into the hearts of the unbelievers. Strike off their heads, then, and strike off all of their fingertips."

Freedom of religion, she states, is a precious American right, but in Islam it is a capital crime. Wanting to marry the man you love – if he was not your father's choice - is a crime as well. It often carries the death penalty without the need for either judge or jury.

Women who dare to go against Islam's definition of a woman's role are disobeying its strictures and the distance from there to honor killing is a short one. And telling the story of honor killings, as this book does, involves descriptions of horrendous punishments where women are helpless to do anything to save themselves. Here and  there courageous or lucky women manage to set an example and fight back, she writes. Chesler does not balk at telling these stories (this writer's editorial constraints force her to balk at bringing them here), reminding us as she does, that honor killing murderers are not psychological misfits, that these crimes are usually well  planned.

Even if the claim that this barbaric practice is not really Islamic, but is a carryover from nomadic, tribal, pre-Islamic times, is correct, the end result is the same – and it might be important to bear in mind that  Muslims in the Islamic states of the Middle East, mostly artificially created by the West, are still almost totally tribal.

It is what it is: Honor killings are perpetrated all over the Islamic world, although not only there, and the Islamic version has now been imported to America. This  means that the idea that immigrants to the US once shared, including my grateful parents, of a melting pot of people thankful for American freedoms and opportunity, eager to inculcate the Founding Fathers' value system, seems to have died a less than honorable death.

When honor killings occur in Islamist countries, the Progressive Left sees them as an internal religious or cultural liberty.  Women's groups ignore them, busily slamming Israel with false claims of Palestinian Arab women's oppression (because it is not an Islamic country and can be vilified while nothing is said about women who are being genitally mutilated, sold, murdered and routinely beaten in Muslim states). Israel has a memorial grove for victims of honor killing world over. Islam, however, says Chesler, is a political religion out to conquer and Islamize the world, so cultural sensitivity is hardly the point.  And now we are watching its cultural activities taking place in America, among them positive social and religious programs, but also others – like honor killing.

Saying the above leads to automatically being vilified as an islamophobe, so you won't see much publicity for the ideas expressed here – unless that landmark Houston sentencing makes a difference. Wary publishers avoid publishing anything on the issue and the NY Times, for example, blithely ignored the implications of Muslim immigrant behavior towards a family's daughters, writing sympathetically in 2008 that "resolute or fearful [of change], many Muslims turn to home schooling, 40% for their daughters." In the media, Chesler adds, Muslim fathers are often portrayed as loving and their aberrant daughters as mentally ill.

Academia whitewashes the honor killing phenomenon, also accepting denials despite knowing the fact that western concepts of truth do not exist in the Muslim world.  It sometimes seems that America is being brainwashed for the kill.

Publishers, academics and media may run scared, but Phyllis Chesler doesn't. Ever. Read the book to see what honor killing is all about. After all, it may soon be coming to a neighborhood near you.  

 

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/22686

[just_abc]

4 hours ago, shiloh357 said:

It is what it is: Honor killings are perpetrated all over the Islamic world, although not only there,

 

Just a small note.  

If I am not mistaken.. honour killings are generally unheard of or virtually unheard of among muslims in countries such as Malaysia.

Malaysia  [and Indonesia etc ]  are in southeast asia..  and not in the middle east or south asia. 

 

Just a small note thats all.

Thanks.

[other one]

11 minutes ago, just_abc said:

 

Just a small note.  

If I am not mistaken.. honour killings are generally unheard of or virtually unheard of among muslims in countries such as Malaysia.

Malaysia  [and Indonesia etc ]  are in southeast asia..  and not in the middle east or south asia. 

 

Just a small note thats all.

Thanks.

Malaysia and Indonesia are not affiliated with the Muslim Brotherhood...   at least not yet...    unfortunately we do not have that situation here in the USA.

Edited September 4, 2018 by other one

[Guest shiloh357]

It really doesn't matter where they are found.  They are found in Islamic countries and they are the most notorious.  And they are being done by Muslims in the US.  But we're supposed just slough it off since it happens allegedly outside of Muslim culture.   Muslim culture has brought it here.  It's why Muslims don't belong around civilized decent people.   They are more trouble than their worth.  Deport the ones we can deport. America is better without them.

[Debp]

2 hours ago, shiloh357 said:

It really doesn't matter where they are found.  They are found in Islamic countries and they are the most notorious.  And they are being done by Muslims in the US.  But we're supposed just slough it off since it happens allegedly outside of Muslim culture.   Muslim culture has brought it here.  It's why Muslims don't belong around civilized decent people.   They are more trouble than their worth.  Deport the ones we can deport. America is better without them.

I know about honor killings and they are horrible and barbaric!!!  But I am shocked at your statement "It's why Muslims don't belong around civilized decent people.  They are more trouble than they are worth." Does this sound like our Lord's teaching of "Love your neighbor as yourself"?   Or our Lord's teaching of doing good to and praying for even our enemies?   And forgiving others as we have been forgiven?

 

Please realize that there are Muslims who would never think of doing an honor killing.   Some (perhaps few) Muslims do not really practice Islam  (I know people like this).  They are Muslims in name only....bound to the religion of their birth because of fears of leaving their religion.

So these types of Muslims are much more open to the Christian faith.  We mustn't drive such people away from Christ with extreme prejudice.

Apparently Muslims (perhaps in the Middle East only?) are taught wrong things about Christians.   When one of our members here from Saudi Arabia studied in the USA, he noticed Christians weren't like he was taught.   He saw their kindness and compassion.    Later back in Saudi Arabia, he became a Christian.   I thank God that he met such Christians which led him to search about Christ and led to his salvation.

 

 

[Guest shiloh357]

6 minutes ago, Debp said:

Please realize that there are Muslims who would never think of doing an honor killing.   Some (perhaps few) Muslims do not really practice Islam  (I know people like this).  They are Muslims in name only....bound to the religion of their birth because of fears of leaving their religion.

And we don't know which is which.  Look at the rapes and violent sexual assaults in Sweden and Germany.   Look that knife attacks and other assaults happening in the UK.  All of those are Muslim. 

And these are not terrorists, necessarily.  At least they don't fit the conventional western definition of what a "terrorist" is.  They have learned to adapt, to change their tactics.  They stopped using bombs and started using knives and trucks.  They use rape and violent assault tactics. 

They are peaceful for while, for as long as it is expedient.   They have learned to blend in, to be friendly and "tolerant" for as long as it is useful and they play into western naivete.   They use our humanity against us, play on our emotions.  They are our friends, until we have outlived our usefulness and then they are more than happy to dispose of us .

Teh liberal Jews in Israel learned the hard way when the joined with the Palestinians.  They thought they were friends.  They stood in solidarity with the Palestinians, ate with them, showed them love and supported their goal of a Palestinian state.    But before long, they too were the targets of the Palestinians who killed them on city busses, blew them up in restaurants.  These genuine liberals who thought they had won over the Palestinians as friends discovered too late that as far as the Palestinians were concerned, they were useful idiots, and Jewish pigs, occupiers that needed to be killed in the name of their demon named allah.   

Christians naively donated millions to Palestinian charities, which we later learned were all owned Yasir Arafat and simply went to either fund more terrorism or his Swiss bank account.    Christians buy all kinds of olive wood souvenirs in the Arab quarter from Arab "Christians"  who are actually devout Muslims at home.  But since tourism is their bread and butter, they are "Christians"  in front of the Christian tourists.  It is possible that money is funneled to Palestinian terrorists, as well.

They have learned that we are so naïve and easy to deceive.   We are so quick to operate from emotion and not fact, and one of those facts is that Islam is at war with us.   Islam is not a "religion" in the conventional sense.  It is a government that has ONE agenda and that is to make the world "Islam."  They have the agenda to make you and me one day, either submit to allah or die.   That is their plan for "peace."   

The terrorists have learned that they can get more mileage out of befriending us and putting up an innocent front and that keeps our guard down and it keeps us in the dark.   So you don't really know that the ones who don't appear to be observant, really aren't.   You see two Muslims walking down the street; one is a terrorist the other isn't.  But you can't tell the difference.  That's the way they like it. 

[LadyKay]

20 minutes ago, Debp said:

I know about honor killings and they are horrible and barbaric!!!  But I am shocked at your statement "It's why Muslims don't belong around civilized decent people.  They are more trouble than they are worth." Does this sound like our Lord's teaching of "Love your neighbor as yourself"?   Or our Lord's teaching of doing good to and praying for even our enemies?   And forgiving others as we have been forgiven?

 

Please realize that there are Muslims who would never think of doing an honor killing.   Some (perhaps few) Muslims do not really practice Islam  (I know people like this).  They are Muslims in name only....bound to the religion of their birth because of fears of leaving their religion.

So these types of Muslims are much more open to the Christian faith.  We mustn't drive such people away from Christ with extreme prejudice.

Apparently Muslims (perhaps in the Middle East only?) are taught wrong things about Christians.   When one of our members here from Saudi Arabia studied in the USA, he noticed Christians weren't like he was taught.   He saw their kindness and compassion.    Later back in Saudi Arabia, he became a Christian.   I thank God that he met such Christians which led him to search about Christ and led to his salvation.

 

 

You are so much better at this then I am.  What a lovely, Christian, reply.  It is of my opinion that articles such as the one the OP has posted is use for nothing more then to steer up hatred,  prejudice and fear."Coming to a Neighborhood Near You" The very title steers up fear among those who do not know any better.   We as Christians should not fall for such things. We should be free from all forums of hate.  Wanting to kick fellow American citizens out of the country because they are consider to be "more trouble then they are worth" is as far from a statement of Christian love as it could ever be.  I hope others can see this and realize it. But I don't have a lot of hope of that happening. 

Well I gave my reply about the article which I think is the right thing to do whenever someone post an article. I can not help it if others do not like what I have said. Thank you Debp for such a good reply. Much of what I said has nothing to do with you. Just letting you know that I am in agreement with you. God Bless. ?

[Debp]

11 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

And we don't know which is which.  Look at the rapes and violent sexual assaults in Sweden and Germany.   Look that knife attacks and other assaults happening in the UK.  All of those are Muslim. 

And these are not terrorists, necessarily.  At least they don't fit the conventional western definition of what a "terrorist" is.  They have learned to adapt, to change their tactics.  They stopped using bombs and started using knives and trucks.  They use rape and violent assault tactics. 

They are peaceful for while, for as long as it is expedient.   They have learned to blend in, to be friendly and "tolerant" for as long as it is useful and they play into western naivete.   They use our humanity against us, play on our emotions.  They are our friends, until we have outlived our usefulness and then they are more than happy to dispose of us .

Teh liberal Jews in Israel learned the hard way when the joined with the Palestinians.  They thought they were friends.  They stood in solidarity with the Palestinians, ate with them, showed them love and supported their goal of a Palestinian state.    But before long, they too were the targets of the Palestinians who killed them on city busses, blew them up in restaurants.  These genuine liberals who thought they had won over the Palestinians as friends discovered too late that as far as the Palestinians were concerned, they were useful idiots, and Jewish pigs, occupiers that needed to be killed in the name of their demon named allah.   

Christians naively donated millions to Palestinian charities, which we later learned were all owned Yasir Arafat and simply went to either fund more terrorism or his Swiss bank account.    Christians buy all kinds of olive wood souvenirs in the Arab quarter from Arab "Christians"  who are actually devout Muslims at home.  But since tourism is their bread and butter, they are "Christians"  in front of the Christian tourists.  It is possible that money is funneled to Palestinian terrorists, as well.

They have learned that we are so naïve and easy to deceive.   We are so quick to operate from emotion and not fact, and one of those facts is that Islam is at war with us.   Islam is not a "religion" in the conventional sense.  It is a government that has ONE agenda and that is to make the world "Islam."  They have the agenda to make you and me one day, either submit to allah or die.   That is their plan for "peace."   

The terrorists have learned that they can get more mileage out of befriending us and putting up an innocent front and that keeps our guard down and it keeps us in the dark.   So you don't really know that the ones who don't appear to be observant, really aren't.   You see two Muslims walking down the street; one is a terrorist the other isn't.  But you can't tell the difference.  That's the way they like it. 

I believe the Muslims in Europe are from the Middle East and North Africa....these would be the hardline Muslims.   In my area we have mostly Muslims from Bangladesh.

I don't believe "love your neighbor as yourself", doing good and praying for even your enemies, and forgiving others as the Lord taught us is going by emotions.   It is going by what the Lord Jesus taught us to do.

Our country can and should investigate people seeking asylum.   However, we Christians need to be loving to all people as the Lord taught us.   We have people in our country that can be reached for Christ.... let's not turn them away by treating them badly.

[Guest shiloh357]

1 minute ago, LadyKay said:

You are so much better at this then I am.  What a lovely, Christian, reply.  It is of my opinion that articles such as the one the OP has posted is use for nothing more then to steer up hatred,  prejudice and fear."Coming to a Neighborhood Near You" The very title steers up fear among those who do not know any better.   We as Christians should not fall for such things. We should be free from all forums of hate.  Wanting to kick fellow American citizens out of the country because they are consider to be "more trouble then they are worth" is as far from a statement of Christian love as it could ever be.  I hope others can see this and realize it. But I don't have a lot of hope of that happening. 

Well I gave my reply about the article which I think is the right thing to do whenever someone post an article. I can not help it if others do not like what I have said. Thank you Debp for such a good reply. Much of what I said has nothing to do with you. Just letting you know that I am in agreement with you. God Bless. ?

I didn't say anything about kicking out American citizens. I said "deport the ones we can."    

At some point, many people in the US will wake up to is coming and when they do, it will be too late.  They will be like those in Europe who suffer far more than is reported in the nightly news from these people.   They use Christian charity against us.   They weaponize it.   They have used it for years to build terrorist cells.   Christians have naively given money to fund terrorism, thinking they were giving to charities.  

[Guest shiloh357]

1 minute ago, Debp said:

I believe the Muslims in Europe are from the Middle East and North Africa....these would be the hardline Muslims.   In my area we have mostly Muslims from Bangladesh.

I don't believe "love your neighbor as yourself", doing good and praying for even your enemies, and forgiving others as the Lord taught us is going by emotions.   It is going by what the Lord Jesus taught us to do.

Our country can and should investigate people seeking asylum.   However, we Christians need to be loving to all people as the Lord taught us.   We have people in our country that can be reached for Christ.... let's not turn them away by treating them badly.

I am speaking as an American and for the good of our nation, Muslims that cannot prove a good reason to be here need to be deported and all Islamic immigration to the US needs to be halted.   That's not "unchristian."  I am not calling for them to murdered, tortured or mistreated.  But they don't need to be here if they are not citizens.  They pose a threat to this nation.   It's bad enough that they are now getting elected to some of the highest places in our government.

The fact is that Islam is at war with us; war is upon us whether you would accept it or not.  And they are using our own laws and our humanity against us here and in the west.   The mainstream media has a school girl crush on Islam; its the only religion they will defend.  They black out a lot of what is happening in the western countries that opened their arms to these people and they skew and misreport the statistics to hide what Islam is actually doing here in the west.  Muslims don't assimilate; they dominate.  Rape and sexual assault and even child molestation is part of Islamic culture, especially when the target is non-Muslim women.   

We need to operate from more wisdom than emotion about all of this.  Nothing about loving your enemy includes putting your neck out there for him to slit.