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9 hours ago, Heb 13:8 said:

 You deny the conception of the church, and you deny that Rev 12 is not a mid point chapter and you deny 9/23/17. That's all I need to know. I don't know how else to wake you up. The non-chronological chart is found at 2:14 in.. youtube(dot)com/watch?v=kc0T0Ij9-7g

You don't read my posts very well. Chapter 12 IS a midpoint chapter! 12:6 is perhaps a second or two after the abomination event.  I don't deny that the church began when Jesus breathed on them and they received the Holy Spirit. I have only said that the bible does not use the terms you use.  Neither do I deny that on 9/23/17 we had a very unusual sign in the sky. But I think that is ALL it was: a sign - just like the previous 4 blood moons - a SIGN that we are near the end.   How long would time have to continue without the rapture before you would agree this was only a sign? 

I do disagree with you on Pentecost: the church was already started but there they received POWER to witness - the anointing.  In other words, they already had the Holy Spirit WITHIN - but at Pentecost they received the anointing - the Holy Spirit upon.

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On 10/12/2018 at 9:37 AM, iamlamad said:

It's OK if you don't believe me. You will find out it is truth later. All five mentions of the 3.5 year period of time is for the LAST half of the week.  The two witnesses are one of those 5 and their testimony will certainly be for the last half of the week.

Yes, I agree these two blind men became witnesses - but these two are NOT the two witnesses from Revelation. They will undoubtedly be Enoch and Elijah, the two men that never died. 

No, I mean wake up to conception and 9/23/17. Israel is the Virgin Mother (Virgo) Iam.

Isa 50:1 This is what the LORD says: “Where is your mother's certificate of divorce with which I sent her away? Or to which of my creditors did I sell you? Because of your sins you were sold; because of your transgressions your mother was sent away.

Jer 3:8 I gave faithless Israel her certificate of divorce and sent her away because of all her adulteries. Yet I saw that her unfaithful sister Judah had no fear; she also went out and committed adultery.

Jer 18:13 Therefore this is what the LORD says: “Inquire among the nations: Who has ever heard anything like this? A most horrible thing has been done by Virgin Israel.

Jer 31:4 I will build you up again, and you, Virgin Israel, will be rebuilt. Again you will take up your timbrels and go out to dance with the joyful.

Jer 31:21 “Set up road signs; put up guideposts. Take note of the highway, the road that you take. Return, Virgin Israel, return to your towns.

Amo 5:2 “Fallen is Virgin Israel, never to rise again, deserted in her own land, with no one to lift her up.”

The two witnesses die at A of D and ascend to heaven to be with the raptured church. The beast rises at mid point not at the end. God bless.

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On 10/12/2018 at 9:47 AM, iamlamad said:

You don't read my posts very well. Chapter 12 IS a midpoint chapter! 12:6 is perhaps a second or two after the abomination event.  I don't deny that the church began when Jesus breathed on them and they received the Holy Spirit. I have only said that the bible does not use the terms you use.  Neither do I deny that on 9/23/17 we had a very unusual sign in the sky. But I think that is ALL it was: a sign - just like the previous 4 blood moons - a SIGN that we are near the end.   How long would time have to continue without the rapture before you would agree this was only a sign? 

I do disagree with you on Pentecost: the church was already started but there they received POWER to witness - the anointing.  In other words, they already had the Holy Spirit WITHIN - but at Pentecost they received the anointing - the Holy Spirit upon.

I agree, Rev 12:6, 14 is after A of D. The church "began" with conception Iam, not birth. The birth of the church is in Rev 12:5. Well, the Bible doesn't use the term "seven year tribulation", doesn't mean there isn't a future 70th week 1260/1260 days. When John mentions being born again in John 3:3 he is referring to individual conception of the seed. No, 9/23/17 was unique as in the aligment has only occurred once in all of history. This was THE Rev 12:1-5 sign that came to pass on 9/23/17. I will believe it was the sign until we are raptured, 2 Pet 3:9.

And the church "started" with conception of the seed. Receiving the anointing and the Holy Spirit was the conception of the seed corporately Iam. Individual conception is in John 3:3, John 3:16, Rom 10:9, Eph 1:13-14 for example. Pastors in their dead church do not teach this. You need revelation. God bless.

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11 minutes ago, Heb 13:8 said:

No, I mean wake up to conception and 9/23/17. Israel is the Virgin Mother (Virgo) Iam.

Isa 50:1 This is what the LORD says: “Where is your mother's certificate of divorce with which I sent her away? Or to which of my creditors did I sell you? Because of your sins you were sold; because of your transgressions your mother was sent away.

Jer 3:8 I gave faithless Israel her certificate of divorce and sent her away because of all her adulteries. Yet I saw that her unfaithful sister Judah had no fear; she also went out and committed adultery.

Jer 18:13 Therefore this is what the LORD says: “Inquire among the nations: Who has ever heard anything like this? A most horrible thing has been done by Virgin Israel.

Jer 31:4 I will build you up again, and you, Virgin Israel, will be rebuilt. Again you will take up your timbrels and go out to dance with the joyful.

Jer 31:21 “Set up road signs; put up guideposts. Take note of the highway, the road that you take. Return, Virgin Israel, return to your towns.

Amo 5:2 “Fallen is Virgin Israel, never to rise again, deserted in her own land, with no one to lift her up.”

The two witnesses die at A of D and ascend to heaven to be with the raptured church. The beast rises at mid point not at the end. God bless.

If the two witnesses die at the midpoint, then they must start at the beginning of the week - a beginning John did not see and did not write of. And that would go against the way John wrote the entire book where things usually happen at the point of mention.

The truth is, they show up EXACTLY where John meets them, right after verses 1 & 2 of chapter 11 - a MIDPOINT chapter. Without a doubt then, their testimony will be in the last half of the week - with only 3 1/2 days in the first half. As I have said many times here, verses 11"4-13 are written as a parenthesis.

Pull them out (as you can do with any parenthesis) and you have 42 months of trampling, then the 7th trumpet sounding.  And that is the way it is, with one caveat:  

1.  42 months of trampling

2.  2 witnesses suddenly show up, having arrived from heaven, and begin their testimony.

3.  the 7th trumpet sounds marking the time of the abomination event that will stop the daily sacrifices.

There will be 3 1/2 days between 2 and 3 above. There will PROBABLY be 3 1/2 days between points 1 and 3 above. 

 

So who is right: Jeremiah or Amos? 

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6 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

If the two witnesses die at the midpoint, then they must start at the beginning of the week - a beginning John did not see and did not write of. And that would go against the way John wrote the entire book where things usually happen at the point of mention.

The truth is, they show up EXACTLY where John meets them, right after verses 1 & 2 of chapter 11 - a MIDPOINT chapter. Without a doubt then, their testimony will be in the last half of the week - with only 3 1/2 days in the first half. As I have said many times here, verses 11"4-13 are written as a parenthesis.

Pull them out (as you can do with any parenthesis) and you have 42 months of trampling, then the 7th trumpet sounding.  And that is the way it is, with one caveat:  

1.  42 months of trampling

2.  2 witnesses suddenly show up, having arrived from heaven, and begin their testimony.

3.  the 7th trumpet sounds marking the time of the abomination event that will stop the daily sacrifices.

There will be 3 1/2 days between 2 and 3 above. There will PROBABLY be 3 1/2 days between points 1 and 3 above. 

 

So who is right: Jeremiah or Amos? 

John did write them in the beginning. Rev 11:2 is latter 3.5 years and Rev 11:3 is first 3.5 years. The trampling in the latter 3.5 years is obvious in Luke..

Luke 21:20-24 “When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its desolation is near. 21Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out, and let those in the country not enter the city. 22For this is the time of punishment in fulfillment of all that has been written. 23How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! There will be great distress in the land and wrath against this people. 24They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

Those passages prove that Virgo represents Israel. God bless.

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15 minutes ago, Heb 13:8 said:

John did write them in the beginning. Rev 11:2 is latter 3.5 years and Rev 11:3 is first 3.5 years. The trampling in the latter 3.5 years is obvious in Luke..

Luke 21:20-24 “When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its desolation is near. 21Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out, and let those in the country not enter the city. 22For this is the time of punishment in fulfillment of all that has been written. 23How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! There will be great distress in the land and wrath against this people. 24They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

Those passages prove that Virgo represents Israel. God bless.

Here you go again, trying to rewrite Revelation in a different order! Sorry, but you are mixed up in this. The truth is, when John first saw them is when he wrote of them...and they were NOT AROUND before he saw them. in other words, they JUST SHOWED UP ON EARTH.  Their testimony is for the time of the BEAST, not the time of the man of sin. You can imagine they were on earth. You seem very good an imagining. Virgo does represent Israel, but in particular MARY the virgin from Israel.

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3 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

Here you go again, trying to rewrite Revelation in a different order! Sorry, but you are mixed up in this. The truth is, when John first saw them is when he wrote of them...and they were NOT AROUND before he saw them. in other words, they JUST SHOWED UP ON EARTH.  Their testimony is for the time of the BEAST, not the time of the man of sin. You can imagine they were on earth. You seem very good an imagining. Virgo does represent Israel, but in particular MARY the virgin from Israel.

The two witn. are for the time of the man of sin. Luke 21:20 begins at A of D. They will not repent during God's wrath in the last 3.5 years. Why must I do your homework.

Rev 9:20 The rest of mankind who were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the work of their hands; they did not stop worshiping demons, and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood—idols that cannot see or hear or walk.

Rev 9:21 Nor did they repent of their murders, their magic arts, their sexual immorality or their thefts.

Rev 16:9 They were seared by the intense heat and they cursed the name of God, who had control over these plagues, but they refused to repent and glorify him.

Rev 16:11 and cursed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, but they refused to repent of what they had done.

No, Virgo does not represent Mary, it represents the bloodline of Israel as a nation, earthly Israel.

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Just now, Heb 13:8 said:

The two witn. are for the time of the man of sin. Luke 21:20 begins at A of D. They will not repent during God's wrath in the last 3.5 years. Why must I do your homework.

Rev 9:20 The rest of mankind who were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the work of their hands; they did not stop worshiping demons, and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood—idols that cannot see or hear or walk.

Rev 9:21 Nor did they repent of their murders, their magic arts, their sexual immorality or their thefts.

Rev 16:9 They were seared by the intense heat and they cursed the name of God, who had control over these plagues, but they refused to repent and glorify him.

Rev 16:11 and cursed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, but they refused to repent of what they had done.

No, Virgo does not represent Mary, it represents the bloodline of Israel as a nation, earthly Israel.

It does not matter much if Virgo is  Mary OF Israel or Israel. God had witnesses when He destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. He will have witnesses when he unleashes the vials of His wrath with the associated plagues. However, You have your mind made up, so just watch and see. 

I know that all 5 of the mentioned 3 1/2 year periods of time are for the second half. You don't know that yet. One day you will. 

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2 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

It does not matter much if Virgo is  Mary OF Israel or Israel. God had witnesses when He destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. He will have witnesses when he unleashes the vials of His wrath with the associated plagues. However, You have your mind made up, so just watch and see. 

I know that all 5 of the mentioned 3 1/2 year periods of time are for the second half. You don't know that yet. One day you will. 

Well it kinda does, placing Mary as Virgo puts Rev 12:1-5 2000 yr ago when it only came to pass last year. Why would God send two witnesses to people who never repent?? 🙄

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1 hour ago, Heb 13:8 said:

Well it kinda does, placing Mary as Virgo puts Rev 12:1-5 2000 yr ago when it only came to pass last year. Why would God send two witnesses to people who never repent?? 🙄

I know you insist on last year. All I can say is, you will find out that the MAIN reason for those verses were for the birth of Christ. If there is a secondary meaning, maybe you have it.  God always HOPES people will repent. Perhaps a few will.

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