OSAS is the result of the finished work of the cross

[Blood Bought 1953]

1 hour ago, Butero said:

What are you fearful of?  

 

My only fear is not building up as much treasure in Heaven as I would like.....I NEVER worry about losing my Salvation.Despite my pathetic performance, I continue to obey God......I believe in the One that He sent. I obey Paul..... I plan to finish my walk with Christ they same way I started it.....by faith......just like Paul told the Galations..... “ from faith to faith”.   As we have been told , “the righteous by faith shall live”. He did not say the righteous shall live by repentance and especially LUCKY REPENTANCE. Faith plus nothing.

[Blood Bought 1953]

1 hour ago, Butero said:

That reminds me of another gem.  The Bible states that if we don't forgive others, God won't forgive us.  How can that be if we are automatically forgiven of all sins past, present and future?  

 

Something happened....ever hear about a thing called The Cross?

[Guest 1sheep]

28 minutes ago, Butero said:

There is no such thing as a legalist, and what is called Judaizers by false teachers today is dealing with New Testament teachings that often times the Pharisees and Sadducees never taught or believed.  As such, I wouldn't know.  

"For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins."  Hebrews 10:26  

You are wrong again.  Willful sins are not automatically under the blood.

 

The word trinity isnt in the bible but we know it is TRUTH.  

Legalism (or nomism), in Christian theology, is the act of putting the Law of Moses above the gospel, which is 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, by establishing requirements for salvationbeyond faith (trust) in Jesus Christ, specifically, trust in His finished work - the shedding of His blood for our sins, and reducing the broad,   inclusive, and general precepts of the Bible to narrow and rigid moral codes.^[1] It is an over-emphasis of discipline of conduct, or legal ideas, usually implying an allegation of misguided rigour, pride, superficiality, the neglect of mercy, and ignorance of the grace of God or emphasizing the letter of law at the expense of the spirit. Legalism is alleged against any view that obedience to law, not faith in God's grace, is the pre-eminent principle of redemption.

 

Truly reborn saints dont keep on wilfull sinning. It wont happen. If in the instance that it does; God chastens his children . 

[JustPassingThru]

2 hours ago, Butero said:

What exactly do you think these people are teaching when they say you can never lose salvation, no matter how much you sin?   What is there to show?  It is the doctrine they are believing and teaching!  Let's turn this around, and I will ask you a question.  How can anyone who believes in OSAS be saying that you cannot sin all you want and remain saved, when the doctrine is about how your salvation is unconditional?  I can't even believe this is a serious question!  

No..., don't try to dodge the question, you answer my question, since you have never been in a OSAS position then you don't know what we teach, you are guessing or imagining what we teach, yet you have no practical experience to substantiate what you say...,

...did I really read that you said you hadn't sinned today(?) you have got to be kidding, it's easy to stop sinning in the physical, well not easy, but possible, but  Jesus and the other New Testament writers tell us we sin in our thoughts, ...how is that working out for you? 

[Guest 1sheep]

2 hours ago, Butero said:

That reminds me of another gem.  The Bible states that if we don't forgive others, God won't forgive us.  How can that be if we are automatically forgiven of all sins past, present and future?  

There is one unforgivable sin. It is UNBELIEF. 

Does a truly saved person have the fruit if the spirit that does not include bitterness that is needed to hold grudges and unforgiveness? 

There are mant other things Jesus said that one must consider the context. Do I cut my hand off if I sin with it? Should I pluck my eye out if I see something sinful? 

Bearing fruit doesn’t make you a good tree. A lot of people quickly jump to the conclusion that if there is some kind of conditionality at the judgment — namely, that you have to bear good fruit, you have to fight lust or you have to be forgiving — then we are somehow making ourselves into a good tree and earning salvation by those fruits. Well, that is insane. The text says, “A good tree bears good fruit.” If you have fruit, you are a good tree, not the other way around. We are not saved by good fruit. The good fruit shows that we are a good tree of faith in Jesus.

 

[JustPassingThru]

2 hours ago, Butero said:

There is nothing logical about your question!  The Bible doesn't teach OSAS, so naturally you won't find scripture to say you can sin all you want and remain saved.  That is because OSAS is a lie.  People that teach OSAS are arguing that no amount of sin a Christian commits can cause them to lose salvation, so duh, that means they can sin all they want and remain saved!  That is why I am asking if this is a serious question.  

 

 

This question, ...what's your logical answer to this?

"Tell me, if I can lose my salvation is not Jesus a liar, or, the Holy Spirit is not God? 

Did not Jesus say He would never leave or forsake me, did He not say the Holy Spirit will never leave me?

So, If I am thrown into the Lake of Fire, will Jesus go with me or will He leave and forsake me, and/or, if the Holy Spirit goes with me and the Lake of Fire is eternal separation from God, He must not be God!  ...Which is it..." 

[Blood Bought 1953]

1 hour ago, Butero said:

He did die for the sinner, but not to leave him a sinner.  The carnal mind believes  God saves them from hell, but leaves them a hopeless filthy sinner.  

 

Sorry.....no cigar......Jesus knew everybody was a sinner....there was something so wrong deep inside them that  He knew only He could cure them......here is that cure......BELIEVE in the One that God sent.....Only the Holy Spirit can show you that Truth...... Jesus knew that the same Holy Spirit that opened their eyes and gave them a contrite heart that would allow them to repent would also indwell them and transform them into the image of Himself.Salvation is instant, man can change his outward appearance to convince others he is above sin, But The inward change is something only God can do .

God has changed me IMMENSELY.......I did things 35 years ago as an ignorant babe in Christ that I would not DREAM of doing today.They were pleasurable to that fleshly, Old Nature That was still in me.As time with Jesus has progressed , that Old Man that sins is still inside me and will be inside me until the day I die.Denying that the Old Nature is still in us can lead to a lot of bad doctrine.Thanks to God and the Spirit He gave me the second that I believed, my New Nature is working to crowd out that Old Nature and when I use the term “ filthy sinner” no “ fruit inspector” would reach that conclusion.I am a happy, joyful ,free man in Christ who hates sin,tries to avoid willfull sinning, repents when he does and whose only desire these days is to go around and make people happy, trying to be kind and uplifting to everybody I encounter....especially unsaved people.

I repent as much as you do, Butero.....I just do not believe my Salvation depends upon it.When I sin I do the same thing God does with it—— I put it on the Cross and leave it there.I accept the fact that God may deem it necessary to chastise me, out of love—- just like we do our errant kids.My Salvation is not in question because He has promised to save me if I simply Believe His Gospel found in 1Cor15:1-4.—- despite my falling short on a daily basis.I am like you and everybody else here. I have secret thoughts that would shame Hell itself.How about you?

It is a paradox of our faith......the closer you get to God, the farther away you see yourself .That is why I still see myself despite the improvements God has made in my behavior, as a filthy sinner.Any so- called Christian  that does not see this is not drawing closer to God.He at least has one foot in The Fool’s Paradise thinking All is well because He is “ trying” to be saved.Take the leap of faith that says I “AM” saved because I put my faith in the value of His Shed Blood.That alone.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Heb 13:8]

1 hour ago, Butero said:

If you believe in God, why do you rely on your faith and past confession to save you?  

Because I believe the word of God, Rom 10:9

[Blood Bought 1953]

2 hours ago, Butero said:

Oh, that sounds so spiritual, but it is a bunch of nonsense!  

 

That may be the most blasphemous statement I have ever heard in here—— the work of the Cross alone is nonsense. Wow.

[Heb 13:8]

1 hour ago, Butero said:

"Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?  Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?  And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness:  and he was called the Friend of God.  Ye see how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only."  James 2:21-24

Rom 10:9-10 9If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.