5-Fold Ministry

[Ahavah]

Is there a picture of this kind of thing in the OT?

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Hey Tishri..nice to see ya.

[JewishHeart]

The Ephesians 4:11 giftings (also called 5-fold ministry) is very important for the reasons stated in 4:12-13.

1.) Equiping of the Saints for the work of the Ministry.

2.) Until we all come to the UNITY OF THE FAITH.

[JewishHeart]

According to Eph 4:11...

You are either one of the five fold ministries, or you are being trained by a five fold minister to be a five fold minister. "equiping of saints for work of ministry"

Unity of faith- we will not have unity in the Messiah that G-d wants until the fivefold gifts (including the training for all the saints) come into function.

In this day we are lacking prophets and apostles.

prophets- those who hear from G-d and provide direction for the church

apostles/ shlichim- church planters and those who watch out for wolves and false doctrine in the church. usually operate in signs and wonders. pioneers. Sent ones.

[nebula]

apostles/ shlichim- church planters and those who watch out for wolves and false doctrine in the church. usually operate in signs and wonders. pioneers. Sent ones.

This would make for an interesting discussion, but do not a lot of missionaries do this kind of work?

Granted, signs and wonders might be a bit lacking, but that's a major problem of our modern-day (at least in the Western world) church.

[Ahavah]

prophets- those who hear from G-d and provide direction for the church

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Aren't we all supposed to hear from G-d. I do understand about the giftings...I'm just wondering...Why are people seeking G-d's voice through other people...when in fact He is talking to them.

Once again...Who is the Church..or should I say..Where is the church?

[JewishHeart]

nebula,

The word missionary is not in the NT, however the word apostle (sent one) is.

The term missionary is an unbiblical word used for that particular office. The word apostle is a better word. However, deed is more important than semantics.

ahavah,

you jumped into the question of the century. Miriam and Aaron asked the same question and Moses answered , " I wish that all G-d's people would prophesy."

I personally believe at the outpouring of the Spirit (according to Joel's prophesy) at Pentecost, we were all made to prophesy as part of our believing walk. 1 Cor 14 explains that in each meeting some prophesy and teach in turn and others judge. This was in the frame of a house congregation in that time. In other words, they were all called to prophesy and hear from G-d. John 10 says His sheep hear His voice and they know it and follow it.

I personally believe that the 1 Cor 12 gifts is not one gift that G-d gives to each person, however as the Spirit wills he gives every gift to all believers whenever the need arises. Just like the fruit of the Spirit is not " you have love, and I have patience", yet we should desire them all. 1 Cor 1 Paul states that he would have us come short in no gift. So this means prophesying , one of the gifts, is also for everyone.

There is a difference, however, in prophesying (something all believers should do) and being a prophet. Prophesy effects my life and people around my life. However, being a prophet you effect a nations life or even the body of Messiah at large's life.

By Church I mean = body of Messiah worldwide, citywide, or nationwide. In a large sense, not the local church.

Edited May 29, 2005 by JewishHeart

[Shimshon]

Shalom Jewishheart,

Are we really 'lacking' prophets and emissaries? Or is the 'Church' not looking for them in the right places? Are they trying to eat figs from a grapefruit tree? And then again, has not Yeshua lead us all into a time just as this? Is this not his leading to present this passion play the way it is appearing?

[visionary]

The Lord is a giver of all good gifts... we just need to ask Him the right things. Many of us do not understand the importance of godly gifts in our lives and how to bless others with the gifts from God. Most of the time I see it as we have never asked God.

[Tishri 1]

Is there a picture of this kind of thing in the OT?

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Hey Tishri..nice to see ya.

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thanks Ahavah, those eggs look good, got some more I'll pass on the HAM though thanks

Edited June 2, 2005 by Tishri 1