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[enoob57]

30 minutes ago, dhchristian said:

I Am not promoting Mysticism I am saying that faith Is more than Just Gnosis (Knowledge based)

The Word of God is totally based on reasoning with knowledge

Isa 1:18-20

18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

19 If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:

20 But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.
KJV

Hos 4:6

6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.
KJV
 

30 minutes ago, dhchristian said:

But is based on a relationship with Jesus that is intimate, Loving caring , and at time disciplining and emotional.

This is with the born again who have come to believe through knowledge

30 minutes ago, dhchristian said:

Over the course of our life we learn to Love God with all of our being.... Heart, soul and mind, as the Words of Jesus speak of. 

This is sanctification- the growth of one becoming like Jesus

 

And all of it is to operated in this order:    Mind-> will-> emotion

[enoob57]

The Bible is the ascent of knowledge toward God period!

Josh 1:8

8 This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success.
KJV
 

[dhchristian]

Just now, enoob57 said:

The Bible is the ascent of knowledge toward God period!

 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. (Romans 8:7)

And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God. (1 Cor. 2:4-5)

Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. (1 Cor. 2:13-14)

[enoob57]

6 minutes ago, dhchristian said:

 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. (Romans 8:7)

And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God. (1 Cor. 2:4-5)

Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. (1 Cor. 2:13-14)

Carnal knowledge or worldly knowledge does not compare with Biblical knowledge and purpose; that's why the natural man does not read the Bible for it is foolishness to him but that does not in anyway falsify what I have said about The Bible itself and what it consist of!

[Alive]

15 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

Carnal knowledge or worldly knowledge does not compare with Biblical knowledge and purpose; that's why the natural man does not read the Bible for it is foolishness to him but that does not in anyway falsify what I have said about The Bible itself and what it consist of!

There have been and are today, unsaved individuals who have far great knowledge of scripture than a great many saved individuals. There are a great many saved individuals that 'only' have a knowledge of scripture that only goes as deep as the 'natural man'.

Such has always been the case. The pharisees that Jesus often addressed were examples. They were great scholars and yet they did not have 'understanding'.

For the born from above saint with a renovated spirit and an indwelling Holy Spirit, this dynamic can be on an entirely different footing than those pharisees and non-saved scholars. The difference is a 'spiritual' one. The mind is in the middle between the body (and its various chemical reactions) and the spirit. Our spirits that have been made alive by Christ can be considered an organ that facilitates the heavenly realm and the Life that flows from there. Eyes facilitate light and ears facilitate sound. That light and sound is then 'appreciated' by the brain and realized by the mind. That is a type of the reality of how the spirit facilitates what come from the Lord and then sends it to our minds for 'understanding'.

You are missing much, brother. 

[dhchristian]

Here are my reasons. A generation ago, as a reaction from Higher Criticism and its offspring, Modernism, there arose in Protestantism a powerful movement in defense of the historic Christian faith. This, for obvious reasons, came to be known as Fundamentalism. It was a more or less spontaneous movement without much organization, but its purpose wherever it appeared was the same: to stay 'the rising tide of negation' in Christian theology and to restate and defend the basic doctrines of New Testament Christianity....






Falls Victim to Its Virtues


What is generally overlooked is that Fundamentalism, as it spread throughout the various denominations and nondenominational groups, fell victim to its own virtues. The Word died in the hands of its friends. ... An unofficial hierarchy decided what Christians were to believe. Not the Scriptures, but what the scribe thought the Scriptures meant became the Christian creed. Christian colleges, seminaries, Bible institutes, Bible conferences, popular Bible expositors all joined to promote the cult of textualism. The system of extreme dispensationalism which was devised, relieved the Christian of repentance, obedience and cross-carrying in any other than the most formal sense. Whole sections of the New Testament were taken from the church and disposed of after a rigid system of dividing the Word of truth.

All this resulted in a religious mentality inimical to the true faith of Christ. ... The basic doctrines of the Bible were there, but the climate was just not favorable to the sweet fruits of the Spirit.

The whole mood was different from that of the Early Church and of the great souls who suffered and sang and worshiped in the centuries past. The doctrines were sound but something vital was missing. The tree of correct doctrine was never allowed to blossom. The voice of the turtle [dove] was rarely heard in the land".... Faith, a mighty, vitalizing doctrine in the mouths of the apostles, became in the mouth of the scribe another thing altogether and power went from it. As the letter triumphed, the Spirit withdrew and textualism ruled supreme....

In the interest of accuracy it should be said that this was a general condition only. Certainly there were some even in those low times whose longing hearts were better theologians than their teachers were. These pressed on to a fullness and power unknown to the rest. But they were not many and the odds were too great" they could not dispel the mist that hung over the land.

The error of textualism is not doctrinal. It is far more subtle than that and much more difficult to discover, but its effects are just as deadly. Not its theological beliefs are at fault, but its assumptions.

It assumes, for instance, that if we have the word for a thing we have the thing itself. If it is in the Bible, it is in us. If we have the doctrine, we have the experience. If something was true of Paul it is of necessity true of us because we accept Paul's epistles as divinely inspired. The Bible tells us how to be saved, but textualism goes on to make it tell us that we are saved, something which in the very nature of things it cannot do. Assurance of individual salvation is thus no more than a logical conclusion drawn from doctrinal premises, and the resultant experience wholly mental.




Revolt from Mental Tyranny

The human mind can endure textualism just so long, before it seeds a way of escape. The result over the last twenty years has been a religious debauch hardly equaled since Israel worshipped the golden calf. Of us Bible Christians it may truthfully be said that we 'sat down to eat and to drink, and rose up to play.' The separating line between the Church and the world has been all but obliterated.

Aside from a few of the gross sins, the sins of the unregenerate world are now approved by a shocking number of professedly "born-again' Christians, and copied eagerly. Young Christians take as their models the rankest kind of worldlings and try to be as much like them as possible. Religious leaders have adopted the techniques of the advertisers; boasting, bating and shameless exaggerating are now carried on as a normal procedure in church work.....

The holy faith of our fathers has in many places been made a form of entertainment, and the appalling thing is that all this has been fed down to the masses from the top.

That note of protest which began with the New Testament and which was always heard loudest went the Church was most powerful has been successfully silenced. The radical element in testimony and life that once made Christians hated by the world is missing from present-day evangelism.

Christians were once revolutionists-- moral, not political -- but we have lost our revolutionary character. It is no longer either dangerous or costly to be a Christian..... We are busy these days proving to the world that they can have all the benefits of the Gospel without any of the inconvenience to their customary way of life. It's 'all this and heaven too.'...

For this reason it is useless for... believers to spend long hours begging God to send revival. Unless we intend to reform, we may as well not pray. Unless praying men have the insight and faith to amend their whole way of life to conform to the New Testament patterns, there can be no true revival.

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[enoob57]

10 minutes ago, Alive said:

There have been and are today, unsaved individuals who have far great knowledge of scripture than a great many saved individuals. There are a great many saved individuals that 'only' have a knowledge of scripture that only goes as deep as the 'natural man'.

Such has always been the case. The pharisees that Jesus often addressed were examples. They were great scholars and yet they did not have 'understanding'.

For the born from above saint with a renovated spirit and an indwelling Holy Spirit, this dynamic can be on an entirely different footing than those pharisees and non-saved scholars. The difference is a 'spiritual' one. The mind is in the middle between the body (and its various chemical reactions) and the spirit. Our spirits that have been made alive by Christ can be considered an organ that facilitates the heavenly realm and the Life that flows from there. Eyes facilitate light and ears facilitate sound. That light and sound is then 'appreciated' by the brain and realized by the mind. That is a type of the reality of how the spirit facilitates what come from the Lord and then sends it to our minds for 'understanding'.

You are missing much, brother. 

we have already agreed to disagree …  

[Alive]

1 minute ago, enoob57 said:

we have already agreed to disagree …  

Yes--I am also writing for others that are reading. Many of the things that you are saying are simply wrong and sowing confusion. You really should stop. You have no idea what you are talking about. It pains me to say that. I counsel you to slow your roll and reconsider these things in prayer before your Lord and mine.

There are young ones who are experiencing a walk in the Spirit and hearing from the Lord in an intimate way. You are causing them to doubt that experience and have them wondering if it is satan at work in them instead of the Lord. This is not good. Please consider this.

I am confident, that he will enlighten you if you do so.

[enoob57]

1 hour ago, Alive said:

Yes--I am also writing for others that are reading. Many of the things that you are saying are simply wrong and sowing confusion. You really should stop. You have no idea what you are talking about. It pains me to say that. I counsel you to slow your roll and reconsider these things in prayer before your Lord and mine.

There are young ones who are experiencing a walk in the Spirit and hearing from the Lord in an intimate way. You are causing them to doubt that experience and have them wondering if it is satan at work in them instead of the Lord. This is not good. Please consider this.

I am confident, that he will enlighten you if you do so.

We are to try the spirits that come to us

1 John 4:1

4 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
KJV

If you are suggesting anything other than that of Scripture to bring up young ones in the nurture and growth in The Lord it is you who are doing the damage not I.... this is the council of God on this 'In His Word'

Josh 1:8

8 This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success.
KJV

all of Psalms 119

Ps 119:11-16

11 Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.

12 Blessed art thou, O LORD: teach me thy statutes.

13 With my lips have I declared all the judgments of thy mouth.

14 I have rejoiced in the way of thy testimonies, as much as in all riches.

15 I will meditate in thy precepts, and have respect unto thy ways.

16 I will delight myself in thy statutes: I will not forget thy word.
KJV

2 Tim 3:15-17

15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
KJV

While you say I lack of God... God says I lack nothing... and His Word is my council to all else! Guess Who I'm going with  

 

[enoob57]

24 minutes ago, Alive said:

There are young ones who are experiencing a walk in the Spirit and hearing from the Lord in an intimate way. You are causing them to doubt that experience and have them wondering if it is satan at work in them instead of the Lord. This is not good. Please consider this.

young ones it is with The Word of God we determine what is and is not of God... Not personal feeling, not personal thoughts, not anything other than God's Word! People that lead you to (a) self anything to trust and put faith in are leading you away from the foundation that is in Christ alone for Jesus said

John 14:6

6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
KJV

and This 'IS' Who Jesus was

John 1:1-4

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
KJV

John 1:14

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
KJV

Today we have The Written Word of God and if we have believed that Word says and called out to The Lord Jesus to save us then we have The Holy Spirit Who's sole purpose is to make that which is written live within our hearts!