nobleseed Posted February 3, 2019 Group: Members * Followers: 1 Topic Count: 83 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 341 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 117 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/02/2019 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 3, 2019 15 hours ago, Retrobyter said: Shalom, noblenut. Because the prophecy is talking about Him YELLING, SCREAMING, or SHOUTING in the street; Yeshua` didn't do that! His was a more one-on-one approach, dealing with each person's need for healing, and when He taught to crowds, He used natural amphitheaters to make Himself heard, like the bowl of the beach, teaching from a boat just off shore on Lake Kinneret (the Sea of Galilee). You have to look up the meaning of the words used in Isaiah 42:2: "tsaa`aq" means "to shout"; "naasaa'" means "to raise (one's voice)"; and "yaashmiya`" means "to bark" like a vendor in a street market! That wasn't His style! I'll just add this: When the Scriptures say that Yeshua` "preached," it doesn't mean that he was a "screaming preacher" like we have today. It means that he "heralded" like a town cryer announced proclamations: "Hear ye, hear ye,...." he did yell and shout in the temple Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retrobyter Posted February 3, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 9 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 6,587 Content Per Day: 1.07 Reputation: 2,444 Days Won: 1 Joined: 06/28/2007 Status: Online Birthday: 10/28/1957 Share Posted February 3, 2019 (edited) 26 minutes ago, noblenut said: he did yell and shout in the temple Shalom, noblenut. Did He indeed? Prove it, please. Where did you think President Theodore Roosevelt got his idea for the statement, "Speak softly and carry a big stick"? Edited February 3, 2019 by Retrobyter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobleseed Posted February 3, 2019 Group: Members * Followers: 1 Topic Count: 83 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 341 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 117 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/02/2019 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 3, 2019 7 minutes ago, Retrobyter said: Shalom, noblenut. Did He indeed? Prove it, please. Where did you think President Theodore Roosevelt got his idea for the statement, "Speak softly and carry a big stick"? u know the passage off heart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retrobyter Posted February 3, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 9 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 6,587 Content Per Day: 1.07 Reputation: 2,444 Days Won: 1 Joined: 06/28/2007 Status: Online Birthday: 10/28/1957 Share Posted February 3, 2019 (edited) 24 minutes ago, noblenut said: u know the passage off heart Shalom, noblenut. Well, I've done the research. The passages are Matthew 21:13; Mark 11:17; Luke 19:46; and John 2:16: In these passages, the Greek words used are "legei," "legoon," "elegen," and "eipen" respectively. NONE of them mean to "yell" or to "shout!" All of them are forms of "legoo" (Strong's NT:3004) meaning "to say" or "to speak." We often see a re-enactment of the scene in a play, and the director or the actor portraying Yeshua` may have taken liberties with the Scriptures, but they are only ASSUMING that He "yelled" or "shouted!" He did nothing of the sort! Sometimes, the most SCATHING rebuke can be whispered through gritted teeth! (Not saying that He did that either, though.) Edited February 3, 2019 by Retrobyter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobleseed Posted February 3, 2019 Group: Members * Followers: 1 Topic Count: 83 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 341 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 117 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/02/2019 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 3, 2019 7 minutes ago, Retrobyter said: Shalom, noblenut. Well, I've done the research. The passages are Matthew 21:13; Mark 11:17; Luke 19:46; and John 2:16: In these passages, the Greek words used are "legei," "legoon," "elegen," and "eipen" respectively. NONE of them mean to "yell" or to "shout!" All of them are forms of "legoo" (Strong's NT:3004) meaning "to say" or "to speak." We often see a re-enactment of the scene in a play, and the director or the actor portraying Yeshua` may have taken liberties with the Scriptures, but they are only ASSUMING that He "yelled" or "shouted!" He did nothing of the sort! Sometimes, the most SCATHING rebuke can be whispered through gritted teeth! (Not saying that He did that either, though.) i am sure he didn't whisper, and no one ever whispers a rebuke, they are hard and firm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retrobyter Posted February 3, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 9 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 6,587 Content Per Day: 1.07 Reputation: 2,444 Days Won: 1 Joined: 06/28/2007 Status: Online Birthday: 10/28/1957 Share Posted February 3, 2019 Just now, noblenut said: i am sure he didn't whisper, and no one ever whispers a rebuke, they are hard and firm Shalom, noblenut. Perhaps not. Like I said, I'm not saying He DID "whisper"; however, He merely "SAID" His statements to those who sold animals on the Temple grounds. He didn't "YELL" or "SHOUT." Sometimes, parents do the wrong things and will scream at their kids to stop doing something, because they are frustrated and agitated. However, the BEST method is to quietly and firmly tell them the consequences of their actions if they persist. Then, if they ignore the warning, administer the appropriate consequences, as promised. This is what Yeshua` did: He "made a scourge of small cords" and DROVE them from the Temple! In Yeshua`s case, He may not have given them a warning since they already HAD a command not to do such things in God's House. Therefore, they were already ignoring God's warning written in the commandment. An example is also found in Nehemiah 13:15-22. So, they already had ample warning, and Yeshua` simply administered the correction. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobleseed Posted February 3, 2019 Group: Members * Followers: 1 Topic Count: 83 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 341 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 117 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/02/2019 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 3, 2019 49 minutes ago, Retrobyter said: Shalom, noblenut. Perhaps not. Like I said, I'm not saying He DID "whisper"; however, He merely "SAID" His statements to those who sold animals on the Temple grounds. He didn't "YELL" or "SHOUT." Sometimes, parents do the wrong things and will scream at their kids to stop doing something, because they are frustrated and agitated. However, the BEST method is to quietly and firmly tell them the consequences of their actions if they persist. Then, if they ignore the warning, administer the appropriate consequences, as promised. This is what Yeshua` did: He "made a scourge of small cords" and DROVE them from the Temple! In Yeshua`s case, He may not have given them a warning since they already HAD a command not to do such things in God's House. Therefore, they were already ignoring God's warning written in the commandment. An example is also found in Nehemiah 13:15-22. So, they already had ample warning, and Yeshua` simply administered the correction. you are trying to fit your ideas into the passage instead of letting the passage influence your ideas and what u are saying makes no sense, u are trying to sow n new piece of cloth on old clothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayne Posted February 3, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 107 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3,820 Content Per Day: 1.30 Reputation: 4,806 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2016 Status: Online Share Posted February 3, 2019 (edited) On 1/31/2019 at 10:42 PM, noblenut said: two questions for u, it say in isaiah that the will grow up to except the good and reject the evil, now if Jesus was always all knowing and without sin how can that be about him and the next is like it, if Jesus spoke publicly how come it say he will not cry out in the street. The first answer is that Isaiah 7:16 is a dual prophecy. And the "accepting the good and rejecting the evil" isn't talking about Jesus. Isaiah is speaking to King Ahaz [a bad king] who is afraid of his enemies. God says through Isaiah to Ahaz that his enemies will not prevail and tells Ahaz to ask for a sign. Ahaz says he will not ask God for a sign [because it the sign comes true, he will have to admit God is sovereign over him]. God says through Isaiah that he [God] will give a sign anyway. The sign is that a young woman will have a baby boy and before that baby can grow up to discern good from evil, the enemies of King Ahaz will be destroyed. God is giving King Ahaz in the Old Testament a time frame for his enemies to be destroyed - about the time it takes for that baby boy [we don't know who he is or his mother] to grow up to understand right from wrong. The flip side of that prophecy is about Jesus. Matthew, when quoting Isaiah, uses the word "virgin". There is only one virgin birth. Mary bearing Jesus. The other young woman did not have a virgin birth. Dual prophecies are found in more places than that in the Old Testament. Edited February 3, 2019 by Jayne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobleseed Posted February 3, 2019 Group: Members * Followers: 1 Topic Count: 83 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 341 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 117 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/02/2019 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jayne said: The first answer is that Isaiah 7:16 is a dual prophecy. And the "accepting the good and rejecting the evil" isn't talking about Jesus. Isaiah is speaking to King Ahaz [a bad king] who is afraid of his enemies. God says through Isaiah to Ahaz that his enemies will not prevail and tells Ahaz to ask for a sign. Ahaz says he will not ask God for a sign [because it the sign comes true, he will have to admit God is sovereign over him]. God says through Isaiah that he [God] will give a sign anyway. The sign is that a young woman will have a baby boy and before that baby can grow up to discern good from evil, the enemies of King Ahaz will be destroyed. God is giving King Ahaz in the Old Testament a time frame for his enemies to be destroyed - about the time it takes for that baby boy [we don't know who he is or his mother] to grow up to understand right from wrong. The flip side of that prophecy is about Jesus. Matthew, when quoting Isaiah, uses the word "virgin". There is only one virgin birth. Mary bearing Jesus. The other young woman did not have a virgin birth. Dual prophecies are found in more places than that in the Old Testament. thanks for the answer, u right its not about Jesus, if not Jesus then who, hmmm perhaps someone else, a servant of Christ maybe, who knows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retrobyter Posted February 3, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 9 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 6,587 Content Per Day: 1.07 Reputation: 2,444 Days Won: 1 Joined: 06/28/2007 Status: Online Birthday: 10/28/1957 Share Posted February 3, 2019 16 hours ago, noblenut said: you are trying to fit your ideas into the passage instead of letting the passage influence your ideas and what u are saying makes no sense, u are trying to sow n new piece of cloth on old clothing Shalom, nobleNUT. Nyah, just telling you like it is. If you don't like the answer, don't ask the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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