Jayne Posted March 31, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 107 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3,820 Content Per Day: 1.30 Reputation: 4,806 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted March 31, 2019 What if people were praying the same thing back in 1968 and Jesus came back then because people were sick of all the sin and suffering. Well, I would have went to hell because in 1968 I was not saved. I was saved in 1969. I do so want Jesus to come back, but he wants people to be saved. Others here have used the scriptures that I was going to use so I won't repeat them. Jesus will not come back until all have heard. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted March 31, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.80 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted March 31, 2019 11 hours ago, Wayne222 said: I heard a lot of answers. But why is it taking so long. What's the real reason. If he came back he could stop all war. Stop all illness. Stop all hungry. He would bring peace to all nations. All murders would end. No more child abuse. No more racial division. God's name would be held high. No more lewdness. Modest respectable dress. I could go on. What is delaying Jesus ? Jesus Christ will come back in His perfect timing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
listener24 Posted March 31, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 43 Topic Count: 43 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 650 Content Per Day: 0.28 Reputation: 759 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/23/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted March 31, 2019 3 hours ago, JohnD said: Jesus directly charged his disciples / apostles and all who would believe their message to disciple all nations, to witness to every generation, to every man an answer a reason for the hope that is within us with gentleness and respect. IF we took this seriously and prioritized everything in life accordingly... it would have taken only a few generations after his ascent to heaven to bring in all who would believe in him in all history. This is only my opinion / belief on the subject, of course. ← which means subject to total scrutiny and most likely untrue unless it aligns with biblical truth. But God knows all things. That means all the variables for having given mankind limited amounts of sovereignty (free will). He knows who would and who would not believe in his Son Jesus. The thing is, given the Church's lack of putting his commandment to evangelize the lost as top priority... the humanist traditions that deceive the Church (the chiefest being the division of clergy and laity in the new covenant)... God has to "seed" believers through a prolonged history so that their potential conversion can be realized. In short, you and I were born when, where, and how so that we would have that come to Jesus moment we would not have had (given our individuality) at any other point. The real hell of this is that countless millions of people who will not believe in Jesus (and would have been better off if they had not bee born) are born and go to eternal hell... because WE who believe in Jesus do not take this commandment seriously enough. That IMHO is what delays the Messiah. Great points. Agree, we are the ones who delay it. Moreover, there will NEVER be a point in history in which everyone will be Christian. Therefore, every second that separates us from the rapture means that someone is born in this world, will reject Jesus and go to Hell 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christine Posted March 31, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 38 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,058 Content Per Day: 0.41 Reputation: 1,031 Days Won: 5 Joined: 04/29/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted March 31, 2019 (edited) 12 hours ago, Wayne222 said: I heard a lot of answers. But why is it taking so long. What's the real reason. If he came back he could stop all war. Stop all illness. Stop all hungry. He would bring peace to all nations. All murders would end. No more child abuse. No more racial division. God's name would be held high. No more lewdness. Modest respectable dress. I could go on. What is delaying Jesus ? '... even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through Him might be saved. He that believeth on Him is not condemned: but He that believeth not is condemned already, because He hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.' (John 3:14b -18) Hello @Wayne222, When the Lord comes next, He will come in judgement and the 'day' of grace will have passed. God desires that none should perish, but that all should come to a knowledge of His saving grace. He is patiently giving us time. So, though I want Him to come, yet I have loved ones who need His salvation, and am grateful that - now is still the day of salvation. 'The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.' (2 Peter 3:9) Praise God! Thank you. In Christ Jesus Chris Edited March 31, 2019 by Christine 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neighbor Posted March 31, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 18 Topic Count: 953 Topics Per Day: 0.35 Content Count: 13,589 Content Per Day: 5.03 Reputation: 9,056 Days Won: 6 Joined: 12/04/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/03/1885 Share Posted March 31, 2019 44 minutes ago, listener24 said: Great points. Agree, we are the ones who delay it. Moreover, there will NEVER be a point in history in which everyone will be Christian. Therefore, every second that separates us from the rapture means that someone is born in this world, will reject Jesus and go to Hell Actually isn't it the other way round? For are not all without merit, no one saves themselves, nor another person, all are destined for hell except by the mercy of God extended from before time itself began to those He has given to Christ Jesus who does not lose a one. The creation is for the pleasure of the creator and not the creator for the pleasure of the creation. Who is so worthy that they may tell the creator when he should return and why? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
listener24 Posted April 1, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 43 Topic Count: 43 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 650 Content Per Day: 0.28 Reputation: 759 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/23/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted April 1, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, Neighbor said: The creation is for the pleasure of the creator and not the creator for the pleasure of the creation. Who is so worthy that they may tell the creator when he should return and why? The Creator taught us to pray: Maranatha. Come Lord Jesus. Also: thy Kingdom Come. Edited April 1, 2019 by listener24 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Hartono Posted April 1, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 771 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 6,938 Content Per Day: 3.06 Reputation: 1,979 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/15/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted April 1, 2019 (edited) If Jesus didnt leave He would be killed every 3 days after resurrection by hypocrites at churches. Edited April 1, 2019 by R. Hartono Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1to3 Posted April 1, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 139 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 4,228 Content Per Day: 1.23 Reputation: 3,076 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/28/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted April 1, 2019 John 16 16 “These things I have spoken to you, that you should not be made to stumble. 2 They will put you out of the synagogues; yes, the time is coming that whoever kills you will think that he offers God service. 3 And these things they will do to you because they have not known the Father nor Me. 4 But these things I have told you, that when the time comes, you may remember that I told you of them. “And these things I did not say to you at the beginning, because I was with you. The Work of the Holy Spirit 5 “But now I go away to Him who sent Me, and none of you asks Me, ‘Where are You going?’ 6 But because I have said these things to you, sorrow has filled your heart. 7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you. 8 And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9 of sin, because they do not believe in Me; 10 of righteousness, because I go to My Father and you see Me no more; 11 of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged. 12 “I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. 13 However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. 14 He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you. 15 All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He [c]will take of Mine and declare it to you. Sorrow Will Turn to Joy 16 “A little while, and you will not see Me; and again a little while, and you will see Me, because I go to the Father.” 17 Then some of His disciples said among themselves, “What is this that He says to us, ‘A little while, and you will not see Me; and again a little while, and you will see Me’; and, ‘because I go to the Father’?” 18 They said therefore, “What is this that He says, ‘A little while’? We do not [d]know what He is saying.” 19 Now Jesus knew that they desired to ask Him, and He said to them, “Are you inquiring among yourselves about what I said, ‘A little while, and you will not see Me; and again a little while, and you will see Me’? 20 Most assuredly, I say to you that you will weep and lament, but the world will rejoice; and you will be sorrowful, but your sorrow will be turned into joy. 21 A woman, when she is in labor, has sorrow because her hour has come; but as soon as she has given birth to the child, she no longer remembers the anguish, for joy that a human being has been born into the world. 22 Therefore you now have sorrow; but I will see you again and your heart will rejoice, and your joy no one will take from you. 23 “And in that day you will ask Me nothing. Most assuredly, I say to you, whatever you ask the Father in My name He will give you. 24 Until now you have asked nothing in My name. Ask, and you will receive, that your joy may be full. Jesus Christ Has Overcome the World 25 “These things I have spoken to you in figurative language; but the time is coming when I will no longer speak to you in figurative language, but I will tell you plainly about the Father. 26 In that day you will ask in My name, and I do not say to you that I shall pray the Father for you; 27 for the Father Himself loves you, because you have loved Me, and have believed that I came forth from God. 28 I came forth from the Father and have come into the world. Again, I leave the world and go to the Father.” 29 His disciples said to Him, “See, now You are speaking plainly, and using no figure of speech! 30 Now we are sure that You know all things, and have no need that anyone should question You. By this we believe that You came forth from God.” 31 Jesus answered them, “Do you now believe? 32 Indeed the hour is coming, yes, has now come, that you will be scattered, each to his own, and will leave Me alone. And yet I am not alone, because the Father is with Me. 33 These things I have spoken to you, that in Me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world.” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyn C Posted April 1, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 30 Topic Count: 267 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 13,206 Content Per Day: 3.49 Reputation: 8,497 Days Won: 12 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/06/1947 Share Posted April 1, 2019 22 hours ago, Wayne222 said: I heard a lot of answers. But why is it taking so long. What's the real reason. If he came back he could stop all war. Stop all illness. Stop all hungry. He would bring peace to all nations. All murders would end. No more child abuse. No more racial division. God's name would be held high. No more lewdness. Modest respectable dress. I could go on. What is delaying Jesus ? Hi Wayne, Yes the Lord could stop all those for a moment, but then man`s selfish heart would not be changed, and man would still go on with all that evil. That is why there will be judgment and those whose heart`s have been changed will go into the New Heavens and New earth. Marilyn. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neighbor Posted April 1, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 18 Topic Count: 953 Topics Per Day: 0.35 Content Count: 13,589 Content Per Day: 5.03 Reputation: 9,056 Days Won: 6 Joined: 12/04/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/03/1885 Share Posted April 1, 2019 8 hours ago, listener24 said: The Creator taught us to pray: Maranatha. Come Lord Jesus. Also: thy Kingdom Come. It is also said: Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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