Grace on grace

[Pekoudah]

Just as there are two steps of grace...so Christ is to abide in us AND we are to abide in Him. His divine nature is within us at regeneration...but not His perfect walk...as Paul attests to in Romans 7. Without abiding in Christ we don't have the victory over the flesh that Jesus imparts to us through His resurrection.

Jesus went through death and came out victorious...for US. In Him we have victory over sin and the power of death that causes us to sin. So then we give thanks to Jesus for His victory that WE can walk in by faith. Grace through faith!

IOW...we only enter His life by abiding in Him...

If we have received the initial grace that is Christ IN us...then we are to then go to God (the throne of grace) to get the fullness of grace and power.

John 1:16 Out of his fullness we have all received grace in place of grace already given.
It should really say...His fullness is grace on top of grace. It is His faith added onto our faith.

The faith OF Christ was worked out in Jesus' humanity as He walked in this Earthly place. It is available to us as we enter into Him. We put on His victorious humanity when we put on Christ.

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[Jostler]

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The faith OF Christ was worked out in Jesus' humanity as He walked in this Earthly place. It is available to us as we enter into Him. We put on His victorious humanity when we put on Christ.

 

and having done so, the remainder of our walk is about believing.   And progressively doing the WORK  of God, the ONLY work He has assigned us....to believe.  It's not about dying to self, it's about believing we ARE dead....crucified on His own cross with Him.  Once belief is aligned with truth, then in that area we we have become like Him, and from that works WILL flow as naturally as water flows downhill.  And they will not be our works, but work of eternal value done BY HIM, THROUGH us. 

 

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Jhn 6:29

Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”

 

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Mar 9:23

Jesus said to him, “If you can believe, all things are possible to him who believes.”

 

[Behold]

On 5/12/2019 at 8:12 PM, Pekoudah said:

Just as there are two steps of grace...so Christ is to abide in us AND we are to abide in Him. His divine nature is within us at regeneration...but not His perfect walk...as Paul attests to in Romans 7. Without abiding in Christ we don't have the victory over the flesh that Jesus imparts to us through His resurrection.

Jesus went through death and came out victorious...for US. In Him we have victory over sin and the power of death that causes us to sin. So then we give thanks to Jesus for His victory that WE can walk in by faith. Grace through faith!

IOW...we only enter His life by abiding in Him...

 

Every born again person is already "in Christ". So, we abide in Him, because we are already in Him.  This is why the NT says..."As Jesus IS, so are we in this WORLD".  This is why the NT says we are  "seated in Heavenly places IN CHRIST", right now.   This is why 1 John 5 says that "we KNOW we have eternal life" .....we are not waiting or guessing or hoping.

So, when you teach that we enter into His life by abiding, you are rejecting the Cross, which through the Blood Atonement and by our Faith being accepted by God, creates us by New Birth, as "born again".

You theology on evey Thread and in every post you write that talks about salvation or Grace, replaces the Cross with your works. You teach nothing but "earning your own salvation".

This is Legalism, and this is Galatians 1:8 

This rejects the Cross.

Edited May 15, 2019 by Behold

[Willa]

18 minutes ago, Behold said:

Every born again person is already "in Christ". So, we abide in Him, because we are already in Him.  This is why the NT says..."As Jesus IS, so are we in this WORLD".  This is why the NT says we are  "seated in Heavenly places IN CHRIST", right now.   This is why 1 John 5 says that "we KNOW we have eternal life" .....we are not waiting or guessing or hoping.

So, when you teach that we enter into His life by abiding, you are rejecting the Cross, which through the Blood Atonement and by our Faith being accepted by God, creates us by New Birth, as "born again".

You theology on evey Thread and in every post you write that talks about salvation or Grace, replaces the Cross with your works. You teach nothing but "earning your own salvation".

This is Legalism, and this is Galatians 1:8 

This rejects the Cross.

The cross is a foregone conclusion.   A person cannot have Christ in him without the cross and trusting in the finished work of Christ there.  A person must trust Jesus as his Lord and believe He arose from the dead to be born again and have Christ live in him.

[Behold]

8 minutes ago, Willa said:

The cross is a foregone conclusion.   A person cannot have Christ in him without the cross and trusting in the finished work of Christ there.  A person must trust Jesus as his Lord and believe He arose from the dead to be born again and have Christ live in him.

Yes, its a forgone conclusion if you are born again.

If you are not, then you spend your time writing about "abiding" when this is just a code word for.. "you can lose your salvation if you DON'T ABIDE".

So, what is really being taught is "working to stay saved", or to be saved, by ABIDING.   As if you ask this OP this question......"Do you believe that if you DON'T ABIDE" then you have lost your salvation or will lose it if you don't start abiding again?

Try it, then you'll know what is the truth, that im revealing.

So, all of this is just legalism using pretty bible words, and none of it respects the cross, because all of it rejects and replaces the Cross with some type of "working to be saved". 

In the case of this Thread the OP is trying to replace OSAS, with works......He is using the term "Abiding". 

Nothing new.

Edited May 15, 2019 by Behold

[Pekoudah]

On 5/15/2019 at 4:09 PM, Behold said:

Every born again person is already "in Christ". So, we abide in Him, because we are already in Him.  This is why the NT says..."As Jesus IS, so are we in this WORLD".  This is why the NT says we are  "seated in Heavenly places IN CHRIST", right now.   This is why 1 John 5 says that "we KNOW we have eternal life" .....we are not waiting or guessing or hoping.

So, when you teach that we enter into His life by abiding, you are rejecting the Cross, which through the Blood Atonement and by our Faith being accepted by God, creates us by New Birth, as "born again".

You theology on evey Thread and in every post you write that talks about salvation or Grace, replaces the Cross with your works. You teach nothing but "earning your own salvation".

This is Legalism, and this is Galatians 1:8 

This rejects the Cross.

Actually I speak of being empowered by the Spirit by His life after the cross of Christ has dealt with the natural man. It is walking in HIS perfection...not our own. THAT is the grace you speak against.  The real grace of God ...in favour of God looking the other way while you walk in the flesh and judge others.  You are advocating a salvation in the flesh with a lack of the cross and it's power in your life...calling that strangely...works. But this is the salvation that works.  So you have it exactly backwards.

Edited May 21, 2019 by Pekoudah