ayin jade Posted May 28, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 44 Topic Count: 6,178 Topics Per Day: 0.87 Content Count: 43,800 Content Per Day: 6.18 Reputation: 11,247 Days Won: 58 Joined: 01/03/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted May 28, 2019 44 minutes ago, Neighbor said: Hi, Man is depraved. Man does immoral things, bad things, evil beyond comprehension things, all without Satan. Satan is not omnipresent, he is not everywhere at all times pulling strings and making man evil. Man is depraved. He has no excuse for his sin. He cannot blame his sin on Satan anymore than he could blame his first sin on the wo-man. Adam kinda blamed God too. 12 And the man said, The woman whom You gave to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I ate. Not just the woman, but the woman You gave to adam. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neighbor Posted May 28, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 18 Topic Count: 967 Topics Per Day: 0.35 Content Count: 13,863 Content Per Day: 5.07 Reputation: 9,209 Days Won: 6 Joined: 12/04/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/03/1885 Share Posted May 28, 2019 6 minutes ago, ayin jade said: Adam kinda blamed God too. 12 And the man said, The woman whom You gave to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I ate. Not just the woman, but the woman You gave to adam. Exactly. God in his just anger issued three curses, one upon Satan one on Adam and one on Eve. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frienduff thaylorde Posted May 28, 2019 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 17 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 13,256 Content Per Day: 5.26 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 62 Joined: 07/07/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/25/1972 Share Posted May 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, Neighbor said: Exactly. And God in his just anger issued three curses, one upon Satan one on Adam and one on Eve. And the beauty of it is , THE SECOND ADAM , THE LORD FROM HEAVEN . OH HE MADE THE WAY BACK and the lambs are no longer under the curse that the world and those of it still are . PRAISE the LORD for the LORD . OH let all that has breath praise the LORD . Let a joyous song of praise be sang to our ONLY HOPE who is the LORD . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frienduff thaylorde Posted May 28, 2019 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 17 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 13,256 Content Per Day: 5.26 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 62 Joined: 07/07/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/25/1972 Share Posted May 28, 2019 15 minutes ago, Neighbor said: Yes of course. He could simply put an end to man and all of creation, that would be just. Instead God has reconciled what is irreconcilable, His perfection and man's depravity, by dying himself for the sake of man that He created, covering man's depravity with God's own perfection, that is God's mercy and grace. OH but the LORD is VERY LONG SUFFERING . Is he not . Desiring that none perish but that they would come to Christ . But time is running out I must add . Because the signs JESUS spoke of and the apostles spoke of , MAN they all around us now . SO we KNOW it is the last time . Let all that has breath praise the LORD and POINT to CHRIST the GLORY OF GOD and may folks run as fast as legs will carry them to OUR BLESSED HOPE CHRIST the RISEN SAVOIR. Cause if not , all who deny HIM will surely perish . OH but all who call upon HIM in SPIRIT and in TRUTH the same shall be saved . Now that is all the reason we need to just PRAISE THE LORD . What mercy and grace Given us IN CHRIST . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takoda Posted May 28, 2019 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 1 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 137 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 52 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/11/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/27/1943 Share Posted May 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, Neighbor said: Exactly. God in his just anger issued three curses, one upon Satan one on Adam and one on Eve. There are several problems with this statement. In the first place, God did not issue three curses --- he issued just two, one on the serpent and one on the earth. Adam and Eve were not cursed. Secondly, Satan makes no appearance in Genesis. The antagonist (in the literary sense) is the serpent who apparently was annoyed by not being chosen as Adam's companion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted May 28, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.20 Reputation: 9,763 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted May 28, 2019 47 minutes ago, Firm Foundation said: God could still put an end to evil this instant but doesn't. It is in his power to do it. That means he must have a purpose for it. It is us who have a purpose for sin, not God. If God had a purpose, why would the whole bible point to sin as wrong and warn us against it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neighbor Posted May 29, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 18 Topic Count: 967 Topics Per Day: 0.35 Content Count: 13,863 Content Per Day: 5.07 Reputation: 9,209 Days Won: 6 Joined: 12/04/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/03/1885 Share Posted May 29, 2019 5 hours ago, Takoda said: There are several problems with this statement. In the first place, God did not issue three curses --- he issued just two, one on the serpent and one on the earth. Adam and Eve were not cursed. Secondly, Satan makes no appearance in Genesis. The antagonist (in the literary sense) is the serpent who apparently was annoyed by not being chosen as Adam's companion. Thanks, but I will stay with my statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firm Foundation Posted May 29, 2019 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 4 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,280 Content Per Day: 1.21 Reputation: 854 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted May 29, 2019 13 hours ago, Neighbor said: Yes of course. He could simply put an end to man and all of creation, that would be just. Instead God has reconciled what is irreconcilable, His perfection and man's depravity, by dying himself for the sake of man that He created, covering man's depravity with God's own perfection, that is God's mercy and grace. Or he could simply eliminate the devil and the demons. There is no redemption for them. What possible reason is there for them to be allowed to continue to cause problems for mankind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firm Foundation Posted May 29, 2019 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 4 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,280 Content Per Day: 1.21 Reputation: 854 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted May 29, 2019 13 hours ago, OneLight said: It is us who have a purpose for sin, not God. If God had a purpose, why would the whole bible point to sin as wrong and warn us against it? What purpose do we have for sin, and why do we need the devil and demons making things harder for us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael37 Posted May 29, 2019 Group: Servant Followers: 21 Topic Count: 246 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 7,082 Content Per Day: 3.28 Reputation: 5,010 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/05/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/23/1954 Share Posted May 29, 2019 4 minutes ago, Firm Foundation said: Or he could simply eliminate the devil and the demons. There is no redemption for them. What possible reason is there for them to be allowed to continue to cause problems for mankind? Have you ever watched a movie where as quick as the enemy hordes are eliminated they are replaced by more? The same applies to mankind with respect to eliminating sin, because we are all given a dimension of freewill. Regardless of the influence of Satan and his demons, the thought in mankind to oppose God is still an option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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