If God exist why do bad things happen?

[Firm Foundation]

7 minutes ago, pinacled said:

Ok, i see what you mean by this statement, yet.

What scripture are you solely equating to be about judas?

Him betraying Jesus for 30 pieces of silver for starters.  Zechariah 11:12,13.  How can it be possible for that not to happen if God spoke it?

It is like Jesus telling Peter he would deny him 3 times.  How can that not happen if Jesus said it would.  How about Jesus telling Peter how he would glorify God in his death?  Can anything God says fail to happen and God still be trusted?

[Firm Foundation]

41 minutes ago, pinacled said:

What about the leadership that paid him? 

If you read this entire chapter you would see the parralels of the covenant spoken of by yescheskel, and yeshuayahu.

The two staffs.

You are right.  All had to happen as God said.

[gordon7777]

2 hours ago, pinacled said:

judas acted of his own free will just as it was when the people wandering in the wilderness grumbled and were destroyed.

While reading the account of zechariah, the message is about branches being cut off.

As for freewill, they chose to pay the wages to judas their estimation of the Lord. There is far more historical context to be read here in generational ordinances. Ive heard of peoples estimation of the Lords Word as if the Fullfillment of the Torah and prophets were abolished.

Which is a reckless disregard for What is Holy as they trample underfoot the promises of The Lord. Calling what is Good evil.

Taking my staff Favor, I cleft it in two, so as to annul the covenant I had made with all the peoples;

Then I cleft in two my second staff, Unity, in order to annul the brotherhood between Judah and Israel.

Therefore, dear friends, as you look for these things, do everything you can to be found by him without spot or defect and at peace. ¹⁵ And think of our Lord’s patience as deliverance, just as our dear brother Sha’ul also wrote you, following the wisdom God gave him. ¹⁶ Indeed, he speaks about these things in all his letters. They contain some things that are hard to understand, things which the uninstructed and unstable distort, to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.

¹⁷ But you, dear friends, since you know this in advance, guard yourselves; so that you will not be led away by the errors of the wicked and fall from your own secure position. ¹⁸ And keep growing in grace and knowledge of our Lord and Deliverer, Yeshua the Messiah. To him be the glory, both now and forever! Amen.

 

 

 

"judas acted of his own free will just as it was when the people wandering in the wilderness grumbled and were destroyed."

Zechariah 11:13 And the Lord said unto me, Cast it unto the potter: a goodly price that I was prised at of them. And I took the thirty pieces of silver, and cast them to the potter in the house of the Lord.

The words goodly price are from the Lord, nothing to do with the amount evil people pay up, it is the value according to what the Lord had worked on earth in front of the murderers, so they payed accordingly to be rid of Him, as that is what they had sought so much, and again, according to the amount of helplessness they felt against the Lord God in full power in front of them in their Kingdom on earth....

John 11:48 If we let him thus alone, all men will believe on him: and the Romans shall come and take away both our place and nation.

Mans will or the Lords, man thinks it is mans?

John 13:26 Jesus answered, He it is, to whom I shall give a sop, when I have dipped it. And when he had dipped the sop, he gave it to Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon.
27 And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly.
28 Now no man at the table knew for what intent he spake this unto him.
29 For some of them thought, because Judas had the bag, that Jesus had said unto him, Buy those things that we have need of against the feast; or, that he should give something to the poor.
30 He then having received the sop went immediately out: and it was night.
31 Therefore, when he was gone out, Jesus said, Now is the Son of man glorified, and God is glorified in him.

For the Lord hath spoken it, and the men did it ignorantly, in unbelief..

Isaiah 22:22 And the key of the house of David will I lay upon his shoulder; so he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open.
23 And I will fasten him as a nail in a sure place; and he shall be for a glorious throne to his father's house.
24 And they shall hang upon him all the glory of his father's house, the offspring and the issue, all vessels of small quantity, from the vessels of cups, even to all the vessels of flagons.
25 In that day, saith the Lord of hosts, shall the nail that is fastened in the sure place be removed, and be cut down, and fall; and the burden that was upon it shall be cut off: for the Lord hath spoken it.

1 Timothy 1:13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.

Acts 3:17 And now, brethren, I wot that through ignorance ye did it, as did also your rulers.

The ones in the wilderness also had no faith, it was never given to them

Deuteronomy 32:20 And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith.

Hebrews 3:17 But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness?
18 And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Matthew 11:27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

[gordon7777]

4 minutes ago, pinacled said:

“All this I have told you so that you will not fall away. ² They will put you out of the synagogue; in fact, the time is coming when anyone who kills you will think they are offering a service to God. ³ They will do such things because they have not known the Father or me. ⁴ I have told you this, so that when their time comes you will remember that I warned you about them. I did not tell you this from the beginning because I was with you, ⁵ but now I am going to him who sent me. None of you asks me, ‘Where are you going?’ ⁶ Rather, you are filled with grief because I have said these things. ⁷ But very truly I tell you, it is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. 

⁸ When he comes, he will prove the world to be in the wrong about sin and righteousness and judgment:⁹ about sin, because people do not believe in me; ¹⁰ about righteousness,because I am going to the Father, where you can see me no longer;¹¹ and about judgment, because the prince of this world now stands condemned.

They, the leaders chose deny Him in their unbelief, and that generation was cut off. Why the denial?

There are a multitude of reasons. And those reasons are specified in the Blessings of the promises of The Holy One to come.

hardened hearts hare no ears nor eyes as is further spoken in the chapter of scripture you cited.

Oh, the worthless shepherd Who abandons the flock! Let a sword descend upon his arm And upon his right eye! His arm shall shrivel up; His right eye shall go blind.

And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

³⁰ And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

1 Corinthians 2:8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

 

John 12:40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.

 

Romans 9:18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.

 

Luke 10:21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.

[gordon7777]

5 minutes ago, pinacled said:

https://biblehub.com/1_corinthians/8-1.htm

revealed unto babes reminds me of a new or younger generation.

Psalm 131:2 Surely I have behaved and quieted myself, as a childthat is weaned of his mother: my soul is even as a weaned child.

 

Isaiah 11:8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.

 

Psalm 102:18 This shall be written for the generation to come: and the people which shall be created shall praise the Lord.

 

Psalm 22:31 They shall come, and shall declare his righteousness unto a people that shall be born, that he hath donethis.

6 minutes ago, pinacled said:

 

[Michael37]

On 6/1/2019 at 1:21 AM, Firm Foundation said:

Scripture also prophesies Judas's betrayal,  how much he would get to do it and how he would die.  If it didn't go according to scripture, God lied.   Where is his free will?  

Prophecies foretell what God foreknows and chooses to make known through a spokesperson. Things prophesied "go according to Scripture" as you put it, or are fulfilled because of determining factors, of which freewill is one (aka volition). There is definitely truth in the premise "Thus saith the Lord so thus it shall be", but when we study why it is thus we find the cause to be the righteous judgment of God in punishing the iniquity of some, and being merciful on others.

Determining Factors:

1. Existence
2. Sentience
3. Volition
4. Intervention

God has determined that all things in Creation be as they are.

God has given some of His Creation sentience, that is the ability to perceive or feel things.

God has given some of His Creation volition, that is the ability to act independently either in accordance with His revealed will, or against it.

God is able to intervene in any aspect of His Creation as it pleases Him.

Judas had every opportunity to turn from wickedness to righteousness, but he was a "wayside hearer" whose heart was trampled down and hardened from the trafficking of the world so that the Word of God that Jesus spoke took no root in him but was pecked away by evil desires for a man-centred independent Jewish nation that Jesus wasn't interested in. 

[gordon7777]

11 hours ago, Michael37 said:

Prophecies foretell what God foreknows and chooses to make known through a spokesperson. Things prophesied "go according to Scripture" as you put it, or are fufilled because of determining factors, of which freewill is one (aka volition). There is definitely truth in the premise "Thus saith the Lord so thus it shall be", but when we study why it is thus we find the cause to be the righteous judgment of God in punishing the iniquity of some, and being merciful on others.

Determining Factors:

1. Existence
2. Sentience
3. Volition
4. Intervention

God has determined that all things in Creation be as they are.

God has given some of His Creation sentience, that is the ability to perceive or feel things.

God has given some of His Creation volition, that is the ability to act independently either in accordance with His revealed will, or against it.

God is able to intervene in any aspect of His Creation as it pleases Him.

Judas had every opportunity to turn from wickedness to righteousness, but he was a "wayside hearer" whose heart was trampled down and hardened from the trafficking of the world so that the Word of God that Jesus spoke took no root in him but was pecked away by evil desires for a man-centred independent Jewish nation that Jesus wasn't interested in. 

The creation is man, flesh, God is the Spirit. Things are spiritually discerned, or foolish.

The flesh resists the spirit and the spirit the flesh, they are against each other and cannot act any differently.

1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Galatians 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

 

The same intervention applies, God is the spirit of truth, and man receives only the lying spirit for his belief..

 

John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

1 Kings 22:22 And the Lord said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so.

 

A wayside hearer, and satan entering into him, meant he not only had satan come and take the words away, but satan took his soul away also..

 

Mark 4:15 And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.

John 13:27 And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly.

 

Matthew 26:24 The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born.

Acts 1:25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.