people get confused re: the Unforgivable Sin

[Dennis1209]

34 minutes ago, OneLight said:

I don't see it as unclear at all.  Consider what was going on.  After Jesus healed the blind and mute man, the Pharisee's accused Jesus of casting out demons through Beelzebub, the ruler of the demons (verse 24).  At that point, the Pharisee's were rejecting the Holy Spirit, not Jesus.  There is no recorded miracles in scripture until after the Holy Spirit came down to Him and filled Jesus.  Like us, Jesus, being man, needed the Holy Spirit to perform miracles, and when the Pharisees rebuked Jesus for the miracle He preformed, they were actually rebuking the Holy Spirit, which is why Jesus went on to say what He said in verses 31 and 32. 

You're absolutely correct. That's why 'rightly dividing the truth' in the Bible is so important. Whom was Jesus speaking to (the Pharisee's) and what about (the miracles of God being performed by an unclean spirit, or Beelzebub).

We remember what immediately happened to both Ananias and his wife Sapphira when they lied directly to the Holy Spirit in Acts 5:. Yes, blaspheming the Holy Spirit, along with rejecting His presence in you, by way of accepting Christ as your personal Savior, are both unforgivable. Sorry, didn't mean to butt in, but wanted to support your view. 

[cantankerous5]

4 minutes ago, Dennis1209 said:

Ananias and his wife Sapphira when they lied directly to the Holy Spirit in Acts 5:. Yes, blaspheming the Holy Spirit, along with rejecting His presence in you, by way of accepting Christ as your personal Savior, are both unforgivable. Sorry, didn't mean to butt in, but wanted to support your view. 

yes, but don't you think that in a way, we all "lie to the Holy Spirit" one way or another? I know that most people end up in Hell and even many Christians. But if dishonesty causes us to go to Hell, we will ALL go there. I mean, we are often dishonest with ourselves and others.. Isn't that also being dishonest w/ the Holy Spirit?

 

Edited May 30, 2019 by cantankerous5

[Dennis1209]

4 minutes ago, cantankerous5 said:

yes, but don't you think that in a way, we all "lie to the Holy Spirit" one way or another? I know that most people end up in Hell and even many Christians. But if dishonesty causes us to go to Hell, we will ALL go there. I mean, we are often dishonest with ourselves and others.. Isn't that also being dishonest w/ the Holy Spirit?

 

I could give you my own opinion, but I don't know if it would be correct. The best answer I have is the last nine words in Acts 5:4. "thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God."

[OneLight]

31 minutes ago, Sonshine☀️ said:

If after the Holy Spirit has worked in someone to believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ—if after the Holy Spirit has shown a person the Truth of the great value of the blood of Jesus Christ—if that person who has come to that point of knowledge and rejects the Holy Spirit by trampling the Son of God willfully underfoot, there remains no other available pardon, and this person has committed the Unpardonable Sin.

Hebrews 10:26-31 King James Version (KJV)

26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

IT's not an open and closed case as you describe above.  It took me a lot of prodding from the Holy Spirit until I accepted Christ and His salvation.  I always believed in the bible being the word of God, and that Jesus was God, but didn't want to turn from my flesh.  There is, and always will be, a process people go through.  n all honesty, I have not heard of one person who came to Christ the very first time they heard of Him.  Just as we are all on the same road home, some are further ahead then others, and some far behind others.  So is the process of accepting Christ.  God does not give up on you until you die.

[cantankerous5]

34 minutes ago, Sonshine☀️ said:

If after the Holy Spirit has worked in someone to believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ—if after the Holy Spirit has shown a person the Truth of the great value of the blood of Jesus Christ—if that person who has come to that point of knowledge and rejects the Holy Spirit by trampling the Son of God willfully underfoot, there remains no other available pardon, and this person has committed the Unpardonable Sin.

Hebrews 10:26-31 King James Version (KJV)

26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

i don't even see how it is possible to "do that kind of thing" to our Lord... but i guess it happens. How can you reject your ONLY friend?

and Jesus IS our only friend, if you think about it

[cantankerous5]

2 minutes ago, OneLight said:

IT's not an open and closed case as you describe above.  It took me a lot of prodding from the Holy Spirit until I accepted Christ and His salvation.  I always believed in the bible being the word of God, and that Jesus was God, but didn't want to turn from my flesh.  There is, and always will be, a process people go through.  n all honesty, I have not heard of one person who came to Christ the very first time they heard of Him.  Just as we are all on the same road home, some are further ahead then others, and some far behind others.  So is the process of accepting Christ.  God does not give up on you until you die.

 

so true. I always did  think that psg was.. not exactly saying, well.. I am not a theologian so maybe I should quit while I am ahead.. but I will say this: Years ago, I met someone who used that psg to show that if a person rejects Jesus (let's just say: rejects Him mentally, not whole-heartedly yet the person did not say one way or the other), he or she could never be saved.. "re-saved"? or whatever.

I never thought that was a good interpretation of that psg but didn't have the knowledge to argue at that time (not sure I do now).  But you have put into  words what I always thought.  

[diane32]

6 minutes ago, cantankerous5 said:

i don't even see how it is possible to "do that kind of thing" to our Lord... but i guess it happens. How can you reject your ONLY friend?

and Jesus IS our only friend, if you think about it

Can I ask do you mean you never fall away from the Lord? Or?

[cantankerous5]

 

How do you delete a post once you write it? How do you make "smileys" go where you want them?

 

Edited May 30, 2019 by cantankerous5

[cantankerous5]

9 minutes ago, PromisesPromises! said:

You can just backspace until the unwanted post is gone, but if you want to post again and your old post reappears, there is a little black "clear editor" tab at the bottom of the conversation box.  Tap that, and the old post will disappear.

For smileys, use the emoji tab on the bar above the conversation box.  There are several categories you can use.  The smiley will go wherever you left off on your post, or you can insert one by positioning the little cursor thingy in the spot where you want it to go.

For a smiley reaction (or some other kind) to someone's post, tap the thumbs up tab at the bottom right hand side of the post, and options will appear.  

Hope this helps.

And just to add to what's been said.... a person who still has a conscience has not committed the unpardonable sin.  

thanks. I don't know if I understand the smiley t hing but I will try again. It usually just appears at the top of the quoted post.. not where the cursor is..

Edited May 30, 2019 by cantankerous5

[Behold]

4 hours ago, cantankerous5 said:

I have heard many people say they are worried about having committed the unforgivable sin. That is in part due to the fact that  the part of hte Bible that mentions this sin (I will look it up... thought i had that one memorized!) is easily misunderstood.

 

It stands to reason that the only unforgivable sin is rejecting forgiveness, rejecting Christ.

But rejecting Christ is not explicitly mentioned in the passage I am referring to.  In that psg people in the crowd are saying things to Jesus that clearly indicate they  reject him and THAT is the unforgivable sin, not saying something blashphemous or whatever. If you are living according to Jesus's Words, and put his words and Commandments above your own understanding (not so easily said as done because we humans want to do things our own way) you c an be assured you have not committed the unforgivable sin

You can't be born again, and afterwards commit the "unpardonable sin".

AS this sin is the sin of Christ Rejection, its the sin of dying having never been born again.

Its not a mystery.........Its a very obvious sin.     And its the only sin that a person goes to hell for having committed, as this one willful sin, does not allow God to save you, using the Blood of Jesus.

This one sin, is why you go to hell.   Just this one, as how can you be forgiven of all your sin, if you have willfully rejected forgiveness?     so, dying UNPARDONED, IS TO DIE A CHRIST Rejector.

If you reject Christ, then God can't forgive you of//for THAT, as to reject Christ, is to reject forgiveness....is to reject PARDON...is to commit the "un Pardonable >sin." = the sin of dying unpardoned by the Blood of Jesus.

Edited May 30, 2019 by Behold