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[douggg]

19 minutes ago, Jonathan Dane said:

Sorry, not only was Herod "king" in Jerusalem, his kingdom stretched from Idumea in the South to the Sea of Galilee in the North. He also built the temple in Jerusalem!! -- another parallel to the Antichrist of end times. (What a coincidence that Trump has made his mark from his impressive history of building extravagant structures and buildings, and in quick order.)

The Herod that built the temple was Herod the Great.    Differently, the Herod that was ruling at the time of Jesus, was a descendant of Herod the Great.

Trump?  You probably voted for Trump ;).   Regardless, Trump is not the guy.

[douggg]

2 minutes ago, Jonathan Dane said:

It is pretty common and widely held opinion among scholars of eschatology that the abomination of desolation was first committed by Epiphanes. You might want to read the Book of Maccabees. Whomever it was, it was certainly a pagan king, not a Jew. That was my point.

Yes, but in Daniel 11:31, it was Antiochus, placing the "abomination" that makes desolate.

But not as the little person in Daniel 8.     Little horn person commits the "transgression" of desolation.  Daniel 8:12-13.

Jonathan, note and learn the difference in the two types of desolation - abomination and transgression.

 

 

[Guest Jonathan Dane]

On 8/5/2019 at 11:18 PM, douggg said:

The Herod that built the temple was Herod the Great.    Differently, the Herod that was ruling at the time of Jesus, was a descendant of Herod the Great.

Trump?  You probably voted for Trump ;).   Regardless, Trump is not the guy.

Oh my gosh! They were both King Herod - from the same dynasty and bloodline.

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[Guest Jonathan Dane]

2 minutes ago, douggg said:

Yes, but in Daniel 11:31, it was Antiochus, placing the "abomination" that makes desolate.

But not as the little person in Daniel 8.     Little horn person commits the "transgression" of desolation.  Daniel 8:12-13.

Jonathan, note and learn the difference in the two types of desolation - abomination and transgression.

 

 

Yes, two abominations, one under the rule of Greece, the other, future.

[Guest Jonathan Dane]

2 hours ago, douggg said:

Jonathan, no-one was the King of Israel during Jesus's time.    The area was divided up into three regions, Samaria, Judea, Galilee.

The Kingdom of Israel was split into two kingdoms following Solomon's death.   There have only been three kings of united Israel.    Saul, David, Solomon.   

In Acts 1, to verify this fact, the disciples asked Jesus...

6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

What the Jews are looking for is the messiah to be anointed the King of Israel.   Israel is not a kingdom at present.     The person has to be a Jew in order to qualify.

It doesn't say directly anywhere in the bible that the Antichrist must be anointed the King of Israel.     It was common knowledge back in John's day...

18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

How did them who John was addressing were already aware that antichrist shall come?   Chapter and verse?      It is not recorded in the text.    It was by word of mouth.    Jesus eluded to the antichrist in John 5:43, the another the Jews would accept.

In the same verse, Jesus highlighted that he came in his Father's name.

Now go to John 12:12-15, as Jesus was riding into Jerusalem, that last passover week when he would be rejected and crucified...

13 Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord.

They were hailing Jesus as the messiah, called Christ in Greek, fulfilling Daniel 9:26, about the anointed to arrive at the appointed time in the 70 weeks prophecy.

The Antichrist will have to be a Jew, and his religion Judaism, in order for him to become the Antichrist, by being anointed the King of Israel, for a short time (around three years), until he betrays them.

If you close your mind to that you will never understand the end times prophecies.

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The little horn is the same person, as he starts out before becoming the King of Israel.

He starts out as King of the Roman Empire end times, the fourth kingdom in Daniel 7.

To be that role, the person does not have to be a Jew.   But to later become the Antichrist, he has to be a Jew.     To be a Jew in Judaism, a person's mother has to be a Jew.   Or can be by converting to Judaism - but that can be ruled out, because the messiah King of Israel has to be a Jew by blood descent.     I have discussed this many times with the Jews (Judaism) themselves.

 

Well, Jesus said in Matthew 23:39 that they (the Jews, Jerusalem) are not going to see him again, until they say "blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord" referring to himself, and what he said in John 5:43.  

Caesar was a Gentile.   The person will also be descended from the Caesar family.   And be a Jew.

I don't have any book I have wrote, promoting, nor defending...;)

But there are plenty of scriptures that indicates that the person will be a Jew.   Did Jesus have to be Jew?    Chapter and verse, please.   By what factor was Jesus a Jew?    Answer: His mother Mary was a Jew.

No one has been anointed the King of Israel (united Israel) since the time of Solomon.     It is not until Israel post 1948, is a united country again.   No longer divided north and south.

In 1John2:18, John begins to liken them who were leaving the church, denying Jesus, to the coming antichrist by calling them "antichrist".    But there is going to be only one Antichrist.     You don't find the term antichrist in the bible before then.

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Jonathan why don't you try to learn more about Judaism and what they believe about the messiah.    It will be a great and necessary education for yourself if you want to understand the Antichrist and the end times flow of events.   How and why the Jews are going to accept another (than Jesus) to be their messiah King of Israel.

I have been a member of the Messiah Truth countermissionary site since 2004.     I regularly use them when I have Hebrew language question.   And questions on what Jews believe.   But don't try to convince them that Jesus is the messiah, they are very opposed to any posts made in that direction, it will quickly gets you banned.    Just go there for the information, not to agree with their view(s).

Another site you can go to - to read up on the Jews' view of the mashiach is Judaism101.org.

You educate yourself more, and I won't have so much, let's us say negative, , reaction from you.     

 

By the way, did you seriously ask if Jesus had to be a Jew? And ask me for Scripture passages to boot? Wow. 

[Guest Jonathan Dane]

49 minutes ago, douggg said:

The Herod that built the temple was Herod the Great.    Differently, the Herod that was ruling at the time of Jesus, was a descendant of Herod the Great.

Trump?  You probably voted for Trump ;).   Regardless, Trump is not the guy.

No, I did not vote for either Hilary or Trump. And yes, Trump is the guy and time will prove it.

[douggg]

1 hour ago, Jonathan Dane said:

By the way, did you seriously ask if Jesus had to be a Jew? And ask me for Scripture passages to boot? Wow. 

Yes.   I ask you.    From the Tanach, show scripture that Jesus, the rightful King of Israel, had to be a Jew.      If you don't want to take time, to look those up, then accept that Jesus had to be a Jew by scripture - and therefore, the Antichrist has to be Jew.

If you believe that Jesus had to be a Jew, then the "Antichrist" the another, "instead of and against" Jesus, that the Jews will accept has to be a Jew.

The person is not Trump.   And it wasn't Obama before him.    And it wasn't Ronald Wilson Regan.

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[douggg]

3 hours ago, Jonathan Dane said:

Yes, two abominations, one under the rule of Greece, the other, future.

The abomination that Antiochus was responsible for, prefigured what the end time abomination will be.    It will be a statue image placed in the Temple.

 

Edited August 6, 2019 by douggg

[douggg]

4 hours ago, Jonathan Dane said:

Your argument that the Antichrist will be anointed as King by Israel is an argument from silence, one of assumption and mere speculation. You argue that the Antichrist must be a Jew and you provide not one verse of Scripture to prove it.

Jonathan, you are unlearned about the Kings of Israel.   There have been only three kings of united Israel.

Saul, anointed by Samuel the prophet

David, anointed by Samuel the prophet

Solomon, anointed by Nathan the prophet

The persons were approved by God to be the King of Israel because God instructed those prophets to anoint them on His behalf to be the King of Israel.

The Jews, Judaism, there is the same requirement in their belief a known prophet has to anoint the messiah as King of Israel.   (perceived)  known prophet coming - will be the false prophet, perceived to be Elijah, who the Jews set a place for Elijah at their passover seder meal, because they are looking for Elijah to come for the start of the messianic age.

The false prophet, perceived to be Elijah, will anoint a European Jew, the prince who shall come, to be the King of Israel.   That will make the person the Antichrist - the worthless Shepard.    

He will as the leader of Israel, in accordance with Moses requirements, in Deuteronomy 31:9-13 ,confirm the Mt. Sinai covenant for the seven years, as Moses required.   That starts the seven years.

 

Do some self benefiting educational work on what the Jews (Judaism) believe about the messiah and what it takes to be the King of Israel.

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Was Jesus the righteous branch descended from Jesse, David's father?

Why don't you read about the abominable branch, in Isaiah 14:19-20, who's soul gets kicked out of hell for destroying his land and his people - in the text.

What (his) land and (his) people do you think that is talking about?

The abominable branch is the worthless Shepard - the Antichrist who becomes the revealed man of sin.

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I think you are going to have to learn a little something about Kabbalah also, Jewish mysticism,  specifically what they believe in harnessing the angels to help them, the adepts, to achieve their goals.

I would suggest reading the online account of Rabbi Joseph Dellah Reina who tried to usher in the messianic era, by using the angels, to capture and chain the "samael".   

In Daniel 8, it is called craft.     No-one should ever get into Kabbalah.   The Jews, because of them went insane playing around with Kabbalah, do not allow anyone to be tutored Kabbalah, unless they are married, well versed in the Torah, and over 40 years of age.

24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.

25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

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[douggg]

3 hours ago, Jonathan Dane said:

Daniel 9 says that he will be a Roman. A Jew could become a Roman citizen, but was still a Jew, not a Roman. The Antichrist will be the prince of the people "that will come" i.e. the ones that would destroy Jerusalem in 70 and 130 A.D. -- the ROMANS

There are Jews who live in the EU.    

The EU will be the kingdom of the person as the little horn (7th Julio-Claudian family king).

democratically selected.  

(this space)

The EU will be the kingdom of the person as he later becomes the beast (8th Julio-Claudian family king)

given the reins of the EU, made dictator.

 

Being the King of Israel, as the Antichrist, for about 3 years, before getting impeached so to speak, is sandwiched in between in "this space" above.