Alternative Timeline? Comparing the Trumpet and Bowl Judgments

[douggg]

13 minutes ago, dhchristian said:

The World will be reeling from all manner of Bowls of God's wrath, But Israel will be at rest. 

Where are reading that in the bible?

In Ezekiel 38, where are you reading that any of the Gog/Magog nations are in any kind of distress?

[douggg]

7 hours ago, dhchristian said:

The Great tribulation already happened when this takes place The Beast, the false prophet and dragon are killed. The spirits of these three go to all the world to gather them together for the great battle.

No, they don't.  The Great Tribulation ends when Jesus returns, Revelation 19.  And in the text, the beast and the false prophet are cast alive into the lake of fire.  Satan is cast into the bottomless pit.

Edited July 31, 2019 by douggg

[dhchristian]

1 hour ago, douggg said:

8 hours ago, dhchristian said:

The Great tribulation already happened when this takes place The Beast, the false prophet and dragon are killed. The spirits of these three go to all the world to gather them together for the great battle.

No, they don't.  The Great Tribulation ends when Jesus returns, Revelation 19.  And in the text, the beast and the false prophet are cast alive into the lake of fire.  Satan is cast into the bottomless pit.

The Beast rules for 3.5 years (Rev 13:5) and then is killed by the return of Christ for the church. (2 Thess. 2:8), After which the spirits "like frogs" went forth from their Bodies to gather the kings of the earth for Armageddon. (Rev. 16:13-14). This intervening act in the middle of the final week by the Lord Jesus is often misunderstood as the day of the LORD, But this is the day of Christ (2 Thess 2:2), the wrath of the Lamb (Rev. 6:16). Yes it is Christ that comes riding on a white horse later in the final week, and finishes what he began at the battle of Armageddon, But before that he uses the beast from the bottomless pit and the 10 kings given power for 1 hour to execute judgment upon the whore that rides atop this beast.  

[douggg]

10 hours ago, dhchristian said:

The Beast rules for 3.5 years (Rev 13:5) and then is killed by the return of Christ for the church. (2 Thess. 2:8), After which the spirits "like frogs" went forth from their Bodies to gather the kings of the earth for Armageddon. (Rev. 16:13-14). This intervening act in the middle of the final week by the Lord Jesus is often misunderstood as the day of the LORD, But this is the day of Christ (2 Thess 2:2), the wrath of the Lamb (Rev. 6:16). Yes it is Christ that comes riding on a white horse later in the final week, and finishes what he began at the battle of Armageddon, But before that he uses the beast from the bottomless pit and the 10 kings given power for 1 hour to execute judgment upon the whore that rides atop this beast.  

You use Revelation 13:5 to say the beast rules for 3.5 years.  But you don't use Revelation 19:19-20 that the beast and false prophet are thrown into the lake of fire alive.

Why not?    When during the seven years does Revelation 19:19-20 take place?

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The three spirits of devils like frogs working miracles come out of the mouths  of the beast, the false prophet, the dragon.      Where are you getting that all three persons are killed?     I think you have misinterpreted what the three spirits like frogs coming out of their mouths means.     It means they talked the kings of the earth to fight against Jesus.

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Where are you getting that Armageddon takes place in the middle of the week,?

 

 

 

[dhchristian]

On 7/31/2019 at 9:39 PM, douggg said:

You use Revelation 13:5 to say the beast rules for 3.5 years.  But you don't use Revelation 19:19-20 that the beast and false prophet are thrown into the lake of fire alive.

Why not?    When during the seven years does Revelation 19:19-20 take place? 

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The three spirits of devils like frogs working miracles come out of the mouths  of the beast, the false prophet, the dragon.      Where are you getting that all three persons are killed?     I think you have misinterpreted what the three spirits like frogs coming out of their mouths means.     It means they talked the kings of the earth to fight against Jesus. 

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Where are you getting that Armageddon takes place in the middle of the week,?

This is like the umpteenth time I have had to explain this to you, are you just not able to comprehend it? There are three men who are possessed by spirits, the spirits are the dragon(Satan), the beast (Legion), and the False Prophet (Jannes/Jambres). These Host bodies are killed, when Jesus comes for the Bride as per 2 Thess. 2:8. Those spirits then go out to the kings of the earth and gather them for the battle of Armageddon (Rev 16:13-14). THOSE SPIRITS are then thrown alive into the Lake of fire, except for the Dragon who is chained to the bottomless pit, and then thrown into the lake of fire where the FP, and Beast already are after the thousand years.   

[douggg]

44 minutes ago, dhchristian said:

This is like the umpteenth time I have had to explain this to you, are you just not able to comprehend it?

And for the umpteenth time, it does not say in the text that the person after he become the beast is killed.   Nor is the false prophet killed.    Nor the dragon killed.

You are reading something into the text that is not there.

46 minutes ago, dhchristian said:

There are three men who are possessed by spirits, the spirits are the dragon(Satan), the beast (Legion), and the False Prophet (Jannes/Jambres).

That's the part you are reading into the text. 

[dhchristian]

1 hour ago, douggg said:

And for the umpteenth time, it does not say in the text that the person after he become the beast is killed.   Nor is the false prophet killed.    Nor the dragon killed.

You are reading something into the text that is not there.

And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

no these spirits are not killed, but their HOST is... Hence they come out of them. This is the wrath of the Lamb... 

And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Who shall be able to stand? They will all fall. After this mid trib event The beast from the bottomless pit will emerge from the wilderness with harlot atop him, as the final beast (Gog) Yes those spirits of the dragon, the false prophet and beast will be at Armageddon, not disputing this. 

ask yourself, did the Legion spirit die, when they went into the swine and they committed suicide?

Here also, read this verse, spoken by two devils among the tombs.

And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time? (Matt. 8:29)

They too were sent into a herd of swine... Did those spirits die?

Why were they there in the first place? 

But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.(1 cor. 2:7-8) 

There are some things God keeps hidden until the time of their revealing. Satan misunderstood the first advent, had he or they known they would not have crucified the Lord. All of those spirits were ready to do their work at the first advent of Christ, because they did not understand the mysteries. Jesus healed those men that were possessed, but the ones in the future will not be healed, but rather killed. If You are not going to even try to understand these things, which are mysteries, in the here and now, when the deception comes you may easily fall for it. The devil entered Judas, and carried out his will through him, Judas regretted this and killed himself, this is the ramifications of not understanding the spirit world and the nature of the Devil, and his kind. 

What I am saying is not provable by the rational mind, but must be confirmed by the Holy Ghost, if your faith is in the rational mind you can easily reject this as you have done numerous times here. I suggest you pray and ask for guidance from the Holy Ghost. I am not here to compete with fellow prophecy fans, but to show what HE has shown me. 

Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. (John 16:13-14)

I Am trying to explain something to you rationally, which can only be shown spiritually... do you understand this?

 

[douggg]

33 minutes ago, dhchristian said:

And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

no these spirits are not killed, but their HOST is... Hence they come out of them. This is the wrath of the Lamb... 

You are misinterpreting the passage.    What John saw is not what literally will take place of 3 frogs coming out of the mouths of the beast, false prophet, dragon.   

What it means is that the words that the beast, false prophet, dragon use to convince the kings of the earth to make war on Jesus, have power in them, but evil power, employing spirits of devils, working miracles, as the beast, the false prophet, and the dragon take council with the kings of the earth.     They are going to do some miracles in the presence of the kings, when they talk with the kings of the earth, in convincing them.

Will there be miracles, involving spirit of devils?  Yes.   But it will be the beast, the false prophet, and the dragon, presenting the miracles, in order to convince the kings of the earth to make war on Jesus.     And to convince the kings of the earth will have the backing of the spirit world of the demons and fallen angels - although it will not be framed in the negative sense.

 

In opposite comparison to Jesus Who said (paraphrased), My words are spirit and they are life.     That is because the power of Jesus's words provide eternal life.

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Edited August 4, 2019 by douggg

[dhchristian]

Just now, douggg said:

What it means is that the words that the beast, false prophet, dragon use to convince the kings of the earth to make war on Jesus, have power in them, but evil power, employing spirits of devils, working miracles, as the beast, the false prophet, and the dragon take council with the kings of the earth.     They are going to do some miracles when they talk with the kings of the earth, in convincing them.

This is you adding your rationale, and understanding of the material world to scripture, and denying the implications of the spiritual supernatural world. 

For example: The world is always trying to rationalize the supernatural, such as Sodom and Gommorrah were destroyed by a air burst comet, Or the Israelites crossed the reed sea, not the red sea. Many even deny Satan exists in person but as a "concept" of evil. And they deny demon possession and blame it on mental health problems or drugs etc. But these the Spiritual is very real, and spirit beings are very real, and Satan exist roaming around to and fro...

Why in the passage did John "SEE" the spirits "LIKE FROGS" coming out of them... It does not say "WORDS" or speak of words in that passage. It says they are "spirits of devils working miracles", They were not speaking convincing words, But convincing them with their miraculous works. 

 

[douggg]

24 minutes ago, dhchristian said:

This is you adding your rationale, and understanding of the material world to scripture, and denying the implications of the spiritual supernatural world. 

No I am not.   "like frogs" indicates metaphorically.  "out of the mouth" is metaphoric, for speaking.

I wrote...

Will there be miracles, involving spirit of devils?  Yes.   But it will be the beast, the false prophet, and the dragon, presenting the miracles, in order to convince the kings of the earth to make war on Jesus.  

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When the two magicians of Pharoah's court presented the miracles, it was materialized by the working of spirits of devils.    But the spirits of devils did not "present" the miracles.    The two magicians did.  

Likewise, the beast, the false prophet, the dragon will "present" the miracles.

Edited August 4, 2019 by douggg