douggg Posted July 26, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,143 Content Per Day: 0.47 Reputation: 220 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/18/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted July 26, 2019 (edited) In Genesis 3, Satan used a beast in the garden to beguile Eve. What was in it for the beast to allow Satan to use him? We can only speculate, but imo it was that Satan would elevate that beast to rule over the world and humans. imo, that original beast died and went into the bottomless pit, now a disembodied spirit. And is the one spoken of in Revelation 17:8a. I am thinking the location of the bottomless pit is the great gulf that separates the place of comfort from the place of torment in the story of Lazarus and the rich man text. When the revealed man of sin is killed for claiming to be God, Ezekiel 28:1-10, he finds his soul in hell in Isaiah 14. And when God in disdain for the person, brings the person back to life, Isaiah 14:19-20, that is when the spirit of the beast, the original beast in the garden is allowed to come out of the great gulf in hell, i.e. ascend from the bottomless pit, and possess the come back to life man of sin. ___________________________________________________________________________________________________ The Genesis 3 beast is connected with Satan from the beginning of the world, and the fall of man. It is not until there are 42 months left in the 7 years, that the Genesis 3 beast is allowed to ascend out of the bottomless pit and possess the man of sin. Therefore, in Revelation 17, which describes the woman riding the beast back in John's day, it is Satan who is seen in the imagery as the beast. The actual Genesis 3 beast is still in the bottomless pit back then. Same for, in Revelation 12, the actual Genesis 3 beast is still in the bottomless pit, in that chapter. We don't know a lot about the Genesis 3 beast, but he was cursed to crawl on his belly and eat in the dust of the ground - which God made man from. Just the opposite of what the beast may have hoped for, in allowing Satan to use him. Satan ended up getting control of the kingdoms of the world away from man, because he got man to sin. But God made a provision to redeem man from the fall, with the messiah Jesus, who will take the kingdoms of this world away from Satan and his angels - when God begins dismantling Satan and his angels kingdom (called Babylon the Great) when the seventh trumpet blows in the seven years. All of the mystery of God (Revelation 10:7) actually goes back to Genesis and the fall of man, and our future redemption from the fall. We should be exceedingly excited because we are living in that day ! Edited July 26, 2019 by douggg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
douggg Posted July 28, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,143 Content Per Day: 0.47 Reputation: 220 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/18/2011 Status: Offline Author Share Posted July 28, 2019 (edited) This video is the best, although not perfect, I have heard on the Genesis 3 event. And why we should be excited to be living in the day of our near at hand redemption from the fall. Edited July 28, 2019 by Steve_S Removed youtube link. Please post video links in the appropriate video forum (https://www.worthychristianforums.com/forum/144-videos/). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Hartono Posted July 29, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 771 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 6,936 Content Per Day: 3.07 Reputation: 1,979 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/15/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted July 29, 2019 (edited) Adam n eve can communicate with animals be4 they tell into sin, the devil use snake to deceive eve, that simple so u wont believe this. Edited July 29, 2019 by R. Hartono Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted July 29, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 597 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,106 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,840 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted July 29, 2019 3 hours ago, R. Hartono said: Adam n eve can communicate with animals be4 they tell into sin, the devil use snake to deceive eve, that simple so u wont believe this. maybe the devil possessed the snake similar to the demons that Jesus let go into the pigs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Hartono Posted July 29, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 771 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 6,936 Content Per Day: 3.07 Reputation: 1,979 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/15/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted July 29, 2019 1 hour ago, other one said: maybe the devil possessed the snake similar to the demons that Jesus let go into the pigs. Brilliant bro. they can possess anything, a black magician on nigeria testified that he had a black magic bird which can travel anywhere to attack people because it was evil spirit hiding in it n he kept the bird in a closed can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeauJangles Posted July 29, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 44 Topic Count: 229 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 10,900 Content Per Day: 2.93 Reputation: 12,145 Days Won: 68 Joined: 02/13/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1954 Share Posted July 29, 2019 3 minutes ago, R. Hartono said: Brilliant bro. they can possess anything, a black magician on nigeria testified that he had a black magic bird which can travel anywhere to attack people because it was evil spirit hiding in it n he kept the bird in a closed can. I would suppose he put some holes in the lid to allow for breathing purposes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted July 29, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 597 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,106 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,840 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted July 29, 2019 4 hours ago, R. Hartono said: Brilliant bro. they can possess anything, a black magician on nigeria testified that he had a black magic bird which can travel anywhere to attack people because it was evil spirit hiding in it n he kept the bird in a closed can. I saw a ritual many years ago that brought forth one of Lilith's personal demons that manifested as a large Raven... spooky stuff... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeauJangles Posted July 29, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 44 Topic Count: 229 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 10,900 Content Per Day: 2.93 Reputation: 12,145 Days Won: 68 Joined: 02/13/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1954 Share Posted July 29, 2019 34 minutes ago, other one said: I saw a ritual many years ago that brought forth one of Lilith's personal demons that manifested as a large Raven... spooky stuff... hoo-boy I guess! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choir loft Posted July 30, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 69 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,209 Content Per Day: 0.38 Reputation: 329 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/23/2015 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/10/1947 Share Posted July 30, 2019 (edited) On 7/26/2019 at 7:37 AM, douggg said: In Genesis 3, Satan used a beast in the garden to beguile Eve. What was in it for the beast to allow Satan to use him? We can only speculate, but imo it was that Satan would elevate that beast to rule over the world and humans. imo, that original beast died and went into the bottomless pit, now a disembodied spirit. And is the one spoken of in Revelation 17:8a. I am thinking the location of the bottomless pit is the great gulf that separates the place of comfort from the place of torment in the story of Lazarus and the rich man text. When the revealed man of sin is killed for claiming to be God, Ezekiel 28:1-10, he finds his soul in hell in Isaiah 14. And when God in disdain for the person, brings the person back to life, Isaiah 14:19-20, that is when the spirit of the beast, the original beast in the garden is allowed to come out of the great gulf in hell, i.e. ascend from the bottomless pit, and possess the come back to life man of sin. ___________________________________________________________________________________________________ The Genesis 3 beast is connected with Satan from the beginning of the world, and the fall of man. It is not until there are 42 months left in the 7 years, that the Genesis 3 beast is allowed to ascend out of the bottomless pit and possess the man of sin. Therefore, in Revelation 17, which describes the woman riding the beast back in John's day, it is Satan who is seen in the imagery as the beast. The actual Genesis 3 beast is still in the bottomless pit back then. Same for, in Revelation 12, the actual Genesis 3 beast is still in the bottomless pit, in that chapter. We don't know a lot about the Genesis 3 beast, but he was cursed to crawl on his belly and eat in the dust of the ground - which God made man from. Just the opposite of what the beast may have hoped for, in allowing Satan to use him. Satan ended up getting control of the kingdoms of the world away from man, because he got man to sin. But God made a provision to redeem man from the fall, with the messiah Jesus, who will take the kingdoms of this world away from Satan and his angels - when God begins dismantling Satan and his angels kingdom (called Babylon the Great) when the seventh trumpet blows in the seven years. All of the mystery of God (Revelation 10:7) actually goes back to Genesis and the fall of man, and our future redemption from the fall. We should be exceedingly excited because we are living in that day ! You are way off the rails with this one. Genesis 3 provides the basis for the fall of man, the beginning of the story of the redemption of man and the basis for demonic authority in the world. That's quite a bit for so short a chapter. Interpretations of Genesis 3 that roll into End Times prophecy are neither correct nor efficacious. In addition, current misInterpretations of Genesis 3 suggest God set a trap for Adam and Eve by introducing them into a no-win scenario. In both instances, the context of Biblical revelation of the nature of God is ignored - both in deviations of prophecy and interpretations of temptation. Simply put, the chapter illustrates an incredible risk undertaken by God, how it failed and how God intended to make it better (redemption). Genesis 3 asks the question, "how can man express love for God?" There is no greater question in the Bible and no better answer than how God resolved the issue of unrequited love. Temptation is the primary method by which humans can express love for God. Consider that all we have, including life itself, is given to us by God. There is nothing we have and nothing we can make with our hands that can truly express love for God - for all that we have comes from Him in the first place. The dilemma is to ask, "what can we give God that He has not already given to us". The answer is trust and obedience. A true gift of love by man to God is that which is created out of nothing - that which we create by our own act of free will. If there is no free will, then there can be no hope of redemption for without free will man is little more than an insect or dumb animal. Over and over again, the Bible tells us that God interprets trust and obedience as an act of love and devotion. We cannot give God hugs and kisses, but we can trust and obey Him. In this do we create an act of love literally out of thin air. With this in mind we can accurately understand the purpose of divine providence in the Garden of Eden. God intended to teach Adam and Eve how to create acts of love for God in return for all His blessings upon them. God did this by creating a situation of temptation. If Adam and Eve had obeyed God, it would have taught them how to express love for God. Instead the story tells us Adam found himself married to a Mall Rat whose only interest was to shop for something she knew she shouldn't bring home. The consequence of disobedience was death. Adam knew this and realized he would survive Eve's ultimate death by centuries. So the precedent was set that for love of Eve and not willing to live his life without her - Adam also participated in the deadly disobedience. As a result, we are all infected with the disease of sin and death - and sometimes of deliberately following a loved one into a bad situation. But God had a better plan - to redeem mankind by His own sacrifice - so that in the end we may be able to love God in trust and obedience as He originally intended. God is not defeated by human self-will. In our weakness God's power is made perfect. THAT is the message of Genesis 3. that's me, hollering from the choir loft.... Edited July 30, 2019 by choir loft 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
douggg Posted July 30, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,143 Content Per Day: 0.47 Reputation: 220 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/18/2011 Status: Offline Author Share Posted July 30, 2019 (edited) 56 minutes ago, choir loft said: Simply put, the chapter illustrates an incredible risk undertaken by God, how it failed and how God intended to make it better (redemption). There was no failure by God of anything. He is well aware of everything before it happens. 1Peter1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: 20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. ____________________________________________________________________________ So who do you think is the beast in the bottomless in Revelation 17:8a ? 8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. John saw Satan as the scarlet color beast in Revelation 17:3. But Satan obviously is not in the bottomless pit. So it has to be someone who was affiliated with Satan. Which the beast that beguiled Eve in Genesis 3 allowed Satan to use him. Edited July 30, 2019 by douggg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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