Who Is The Archangel Michael ?

[angels4u]

56 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

Do you think the person who started this thread is a troll and is trying to bring on dispute among Worthy? 

No, I don't think so, its a good question..

[ShinyGospelShoes]

9 hours ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

IN the name of all that is HOLY and good .  WHO on earth is teaching JESUS rose as a spirit . NEW AGE TEACHES THIS . ...

Forget hermes and doctrines of men , forget looking wise before men .  JESUS ROSE in a physical body .  END OF discussion .   And if I be banned for saying it , THEN PRAISE the HOLY LORD .

WTS/JW teach it.  I do not, as it is gross error, and I cited the verse from their own NWT and the KJB to demonstrate that it is direct violation of one of the clearest scriptures on Jesus' resurrected and glorified body.

as a P.S. here is another very clear text to show them:

Isa_26:19  Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.

In fact, in the NWT they had to change this verse in order to make their doctrine work.

Edited August 31, 2019 by ShinyGospelShoes

[ShinyGospelShoes]

6 hours ago, angels4u said:

No, I don't think so, its a good question..

It is a good and honest question, though I personally think that the link gotquestions is a bad source to go to for information on it.  Even though it might have some good points, all things are to be tested by the word of God, and not merely taken as correct, simply because it sounds nice, is tidy looking, and simplisitic and uses scripture and is run by Christians.  None of those things, which are beneficial, are the criteria as the standard and foundation as the word of God is.  Thus:

1Th_5:21  Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

2Ti_2:15  Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Act_17:11  These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

Isa 8:20  To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

[ShinyGospelShoes]

10 hours ago, Justin Adams said:

I am not a follower of Luther, Calvin and especially not Augustine.

Me neither.  I merely cited them for the official stance, among so many others.  I do not ask men to follow them.  I ask persons to follow Truth (Jesus), He who is as God (the Father) is, even His express image.

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[ShinyGospelShoes]

8 hours ago, GandalfTheWise said:

 Is this an accurate overview of the position you are advocating?

1. All references to Michael in the Bible are actually references to pre-incarnate appearances of Jesus Christ (in basically the same way as some Christians believe to be in the account of Abraham's 3 visitors, Joshua seeing the commander of the armies of the Lord, etc.)

2. This is an essential matter which all Christians should agree on.

1.  Depends on the references to "Michael" as the name is used more than for the 'archangel'.  If you refer to just the passages which speak of the personage of Michael the archangel, and no other Michael, then in every single case it is a direct reference to the uncreated "Angel of the LORD", "Captain of the Host of the LORD", the Son of the Father (Jesus).  Yes, Abraham saw The Son (LORD) and his two covering Cherub (that Lot also saw later) in Genesis 17-19, and yes Joshua saw JOSHUA.

2. Yes, truth is always essential, never trivial, for we are sanctified by the truth, and it is the truth which sets us free in so many ways.  As stated previously, it deals with the final events (among so many other events) and the matter of character in the plan of redemption, the restoration of the image of God in mankind through the gospel.  It would be akin to asking if it was essential to understand who Immanuel is and what the name means.

Therefore, it is an accurate view.

[angels4u]

17 minutes ago, ShinyGospelShoes said:

It is a good and honest question, though I personally think that the link gotquestions is a bad source to go to for information on it.  Even though it might have some good points, all things are to be tested by the word of God, and not merely taken as correct, simply because it sounds nice, is tidy looking, and simplisitic and uses scripture and is run by Christians.  None of those things, which are beneficial, are the criteria as the standard and foundation as the word of God is.  Thus:

1Th_5:21  Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

2Ti_2:15  Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Act_17:11  These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

Isa 8:20  To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

I didn't post a link from igotquestions, but from  Don Stewart

If you're interested in learning more about this topic?

http://www.spiritandtruth.org/teaching/90.htm

[ShinyGospelShoes]

For any interested in the previous link given for an entire study, here is the ToC (Table of Contents) to that study for fast searching:

Michael the Archangel

Table Of Contents:

[00] Introduction

[01] Locating the main texts on Michael the Archangel in The King James Bible

[02] The basic definitions of the words “Michael” and “Archangel” according to the King James Bible

[03] The word “angel” as defined and used throughout the whole of the King James Bible

Section [03] also includes material about the life on the other unfallen worlds, and in Heaven and also includes the Subsection: The Nature of Angels, Christ in the Resurrection, and our own Translation or Resurrection

[04] Archangels in the King James Bible and in the Spirit of Prophecy/The Testimony of Jesus

[05] Michael the great prince of Daniel

[06] The Two Princes

[07] Revelation 12, An Unbreakable Chiastic Structure

[08] The Great Controversy; Michael vs Dragon

[09] The Comparisons of the “Angel of the LORD” throughout the King James Bible

[09-A] The LORD descends, A Shout, A Voice, A Resurrection

[09-B] Moses, Joshua, Acts, A Holy Person, Holy Ground, Shoes and Worship

[09-C] “...but surely, as it is written, “No man has seen God...”, Right?”

[09-D] The Angel in the Pillar of Fire/Cloud, God in the Pillar of Fire/Cloud

[09-E] The Wonderful Name

[09-F] The Redeeming “Angel”, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, God of Israel

[09-G] “The LORD rebuke thee.” - with subsection Moses Resurrection

[09-H] Those who wrestle with God, Those who wrestle the Angel, The New Name

[09-I] The Person who sees, hears, blesses, multiplies, and who is always with us

[10] Questions and Answers; about Michael Archangel/Jesus Texts

[10-A] Question 01: Did Michael need help in fighting against Satan who was interfering with the Kings of Persia in Daniel 10 KJB?

[10-B] Question 02: Is not Gabriel the “angel of his presence”?

[10-C] Question 03: Is the Son of God, Jesus, ever referred to as an “Angel” directly in the scripture, the King James Bible?

[10-D] Question 04: How is it known that it was Michael/Jesus that Daniel saw in the passages of Daniel 10:5-9, 12:5-13 KJB?

[10-E] Question 05: How do we know that the “messenger [angel] of the covenant” in Malachi 3:1 KJB is Jesus Christ?

[10-F] Question 06: How can the Son of God – Jesus be Michael the archangel, since in Daniel 10:13 KJB, Michael is said to be “... one of the chief princes ...”?

[10-G] Question 07: How can Jesus, who is JEHOVAH [E/I]mmanuel, be “Michael the archangel”, or “the angel of the LORD” since in Hebrews 1:1-14 KJB the passage says that Jesus is “so much better than the angels” [Hebrews 1:4 KJB], has “a more excellent name than they” [Hebrews 1:4 KJB] and all the “angels of God” are to “worship him [Jesus]” [Hebrews 1:6 KJB] because He is “the brightness of his [the Father's] glory, and the express image of his [the Father's] person” [Hebrews 1:3 KJB]?

[10-H] Question 08: Are there not other persons in the King James Bible who have the name “Michael” or similar, and if “Michael the archangel” is truly the Uncreated Son of God, would it not be blasphemy for any other person, being created, to have the same name as He?

[10-I] Question 09: If Jesus is Michael the archangel, how could Michael and his angels [Revelation 12:7-9 KJB] overcome by the blood of the Lamb in Revelation 12:7-11 KJB?

[11] Messengers of the LORD & the Reformation, along with various prominent Theologians, Commentators, Concordances, Dictionaries, Lexicons and others who teach that “Michael the archangel” is the Eternal Almighty Son of God, JEHOVAH [E/I]mmanuel - Jesus, and/or the “angel of the LORD”, the very highest messenger of the Father

[12] The Plan of Redemption, Who is like unto God? Michael the archangel, who shall be able to stand with Him? Daniel 11:40-45, 12:1-3 KJB

[XX] Appendix 1 – The Epistles of Peter & Jude compared

[XX] Appendix 2 – The Short Historical List of those who taught Jesus is Michael the archangel and/or angel of the LORD

[XX] Appendix 3 – The Many Names And Titles Of The Son Of The Father – Jesus

[XX] Appendix 4 – The Son of the Father, Jesus, who is JEHOVAH [E/I]mmanuel, the Eternal and great I AM, God manifest in the flesh

[XX] Appendix 5 – The Cross throughout the Bible and in the Sanctuary

[XX] Appendix 6 – Daniel & the Revelation compared

[XX] Appendix 7 – Daniel 11:1-20 KJB, a work in progress

Please keep in mind it is several years old by now, and though it ought not need any correcting (I am always open to do so), it probably needs updating with the new materials, but I cannot change out the file at the link at this time.

[ShinyGospelShoes]

1 minute ago, angels4u said:

I didn't post a link from igotquestions, but from  Don Stewart

I was referring to the OP.   Apologies for any misunderstanding.

[ShinyGospelShoes]

3 minutes ago, angels4u said:

If you're interested in learning more about this topic?

Interested in the following section:

" Angelology, Part 3 - Classes of Angels (Jude 1:9)  ... and why the Archangel Michael is not Jesus. [60 minutes] "

Could you please summarize the main points of the reasons given for the negative position?  I do not actually have speakers to listen to anything at the moment, and haven't had some for quite some time.  If you do, I would be glad to consider the points.

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[angels4u]

11 minutes ago, ShinyGospelShoes said:

Interested in the following section:

" Angelology, Part 3 - Classes of Angels (Jude 1:9)  ... and why the Archangel Michael is not Jesus. [60 minutes] "

Could you please summarize the main points of the reasons given for the negative position?  I do not actually have speakers to listen to anything at the moment, and haven't had some for quite some time.  If you do, I would be glad to consider the points.

Those sermons are very interesting and you would get the most out of it if you take the time to listen for your self with the Bible beside you:)