Question about law

[lftc]

14 hours ago, Cletus said:

Col 2:16  Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17  Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Heb 10:1  For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

 

the shadow of things to come are like say a kosher diet(eating only whats clean)... and for today... daily bread(renews our mind).  thats a good example i think.  We still have it, that is the law, but now its in Spirit.  So as you examine the law ask God to show you what is the Spiritual implication of this law for us today.   This is something i am currently pursuing and there is a large wealth of references thru out scripture. 

Thanks for sharing those very applicable verses.

I like what you say about following the Spirit as you ponder the Law.  And that there may be life principles to apply to today.

I take it that you mean the whole Law, not just the first 10 commandments.

It may make some interesting principles to glean.  Some I can see as being very good principles, like getting the neighbors ox out of the ditch, can mean helping when the neighbor's vehicle is stuck in the mud.  Some might be more tricky, such as, what principle to glean from the Law that says a woman is unclean when she has a period and a man is unclean when he emits semen during the night.  Maybe that both sexes have inherent issues that are not up to God's standards?  Maybe that both sexes need to give grace to the other for things they can't understand? I don't know.  But it is thought provoking.

But I am not sure how to spiritualize other ones, such as that people must be stoned to death for picking up sticks on Saturday.

 

[lftc]

24 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

Born again believers don't even see it as law any longer but rather desires that have been written on the heart....

Thanks for that.

So I take it that you see the Law as being more than just the first 10.  But that it is not Law anymore for believers. The 613 commandments are now things that we desire.

Thanks, again for the response.  I find it interesting.

[enoob57]

3 minutes ago, lftc said:

Thanks for that.

So I take it that you see the Law as being more than just the first 10.  But that it is not Law anymore for believers. The 613 commandments are now things that we desire.

Thanks, again for the response.  I find it interesting.

not entirely correct on my understanding for there are many things set aside in the 613 set down for the Jewish people... but as one eats and drinks of Scripture love is formed in obedience to the things of Gods and we are changed from the do to get to the give because we love...

[lftc]

3 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

not entirely correct on my understanding for there are many things set aside in the 613 set down for the Jewish people... but as one eats and drinks of Scripture love is formed in obedience to the things of Gods and we are changed from the do to get to the give because we love...

I think I see what you are saying:

-Some of the Law is not law anymore.
-the parts that are still applicable are useful to help us as we grow in our obedience
- we change from "people who are doing good things to earn rewards" into "people who are doing good things because we love"

I like the changing motivations a lot.

As my original question was about how people see the relationship between the 10 commandments and the rest of the Law, your answer helps clarify a bit how you see the Law - as more than the 10, but less than the 613.  Of course, I would be interested in how those divisions are formed, but that may be a long discussion.

Thanks!

[enoob57]

 

[Blood Bought 1953]

24 minutes ago, lftc said:

Thanks for sharing those very applicable verses.

I like what you say about following the Spirit as you ponder the Law.  And that there may be life principles to apply to today.

I take it that you mean the whole Law, not just the first 10 commandments.

It may make some interesting principles to glean.  Some I can see as being very good principles, like getting the neighbors ox out of the ditch, can mean helping when the neighbor's vehicle is stuck in the mud.  Some might be more tricky, such as, what principle to glean from the Law that says a woman is unclean when she has a period and a man is unclean when he emits semen during the night.  Maybe that both sexes have inherent issues that are not up to God's standards?  Maybe that both sexes need to give grace to the other for things they can't understand? I don't know.  But it is thought provoking.

But I am not sure how to spiritualize other ones, such as that people must be stoned to death for picking up sticks on Saturday.

 

 

You know those “ floaties” that babies use to help them stay above the water as they learn to swim?I looked great in mine, btw........Anyway , now that I can swim instinctively , I don’t need them anymore.....They did their  job,which was to get me to the other side of the pool safely.....I don’t need them now and do not depend on them anymore.....I rarely even think about them.I found a better way to swim.I trust what is inside me now .I can swim instinctively, like it’s in my heart to be a natural swimmer.. I tip my hat to the floaties- mission accomplished! I graduated from “ floaty school”long ago though and moved on .Perhaps this is how the Law should be viewed .If it lead you to Faith in Christ,tip your hat to it and move on to the better way- “ Christ in You”.I would look silly using my floaty now.Thinking That one can “ get to the other side” by obeying the Law is the height of silliness.If you lack the Holy Spirit you are “ none of His”. If you have it ,start acting like it — “ let go and let God”. If you trust Him, He will do a better job of keeping you afloat,than those floaties ever did. God bless

[Blood Bought 1953]

19 minutes ago, Heather2019 said:

Do what Jesus tells us to do:

John 14:15-16 (NIV)

¹⁵ “If you love me, keep my commands. ¹⁶ And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever—" 

 

Whatever He commands, we do.

 

And what are His Commands? Definitely NOT the 613 Given to the Jews by Moses—- Those Laws were give to shut us up and take us to our Savior. Have those impossible to keep Laws done their job and shut you up about them yet? There are only two Laws now Given to us by Jesus.I always had trouble memorizing 613 of anything ! Even a senile old coot like me can remember two  ,though.BELIEVE and LOVE.See how simple Christianity is at its core ?

Edited September 4, 2019 by Blood Bought 1953

[simplejeff]

People who don't believe and love as the Creator and the Savior agree,   also do not obey.

Likewise, those who do not obey,  neither believe as needed,  nor even know what love Jesus requires is - there is no light in them at all.

[simplejeff]

18 hours ago, maryjayne said:

You know what? the more I read about The Law and Christians, the more confused i get - and I am of Jewish descent!!

So I am just going to stick with where the Spirit leads me, which is resting in Jesus work on the Cross, and bow out of any further discussions on this.

Correct - the reading <things> about The Law and Christians is confusing,  and is not the Way.  

Everyone led by Yahuweh's (the Creator) Spirit obeys Torah, always,  and loves to!   Yahuweh never leads anyone to disobey, never, no not ever.

[lftc]

40 minutes ago, Blood Bought 1953 said:

 

You know those “ floaties” that babies use to help them stay above the water as they learn to swim?I looked great in mine, btw........Anyway , now that I can swim instinctively , I don’t need them anymore.....They did their  job,which was to get me to the other side of the pool safely.....I don’t need them now and do not depend on them anymore.....I rarely even think about them.I found a better way to swim.I trust what is inside me now .I can swim instinctively, like it’s in my heart to be a natural swimmer.. I tip my hat to the floaties- mission accomplished! I graduated from “ floaty school”long ago though and moved on .Perhaps this is how the Law should be viewed .If it lead you to Faith in Christ,tip your hat to it and move on to the better way- “ Christ in You”.I would look silly using my floaty now.Thinking That one can “ get to the other side” by obeying the Law is the height of silliness.If you lack the Holy Spirit you are “ none of His”. If you have it ,start acting like it — “ let go and let God”. If you trust Him, He will do a better job of keeping you afloat,than those floaties ever did. God bless

Fabulous mental picture, floaties.  I think you mean those things people put on the arms of their babies.  I don't know what you look like, so I substitute someone like Buster Keaton floating along with a wistful look on his face.  I assume you have seen Buster Keaton in your country, since you speak english.

I agree with where you end up - on the good side of the pool, where Daddy waits.  For some, though, the question of the Law is significant because of the things Jesus said.  So my question was about what Laws are important to them.  From your answer, I think you would say none?