Military alliance update

[Shilohsfoal]

Israel in talks with king of the north concerning mutual defence treaty

https://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/Trump-discussed-Mutual-Defense-Treaty-between-Israel-US-with-Netanyahu-601653

[Alive]

King of the north? Could you explain, please?

[WilliamL]

Possibly, but remains to be seen.

[choir loft]

On 9/14/2019 at 3:14 PM, Alive said:

King of the north? Could you explain, please?

"King of the north" is a reference to a series of passages in the book of Daniel chapter 11.

It would really be nice if people gave scriptural references when they post stuff from YouTube or Facebook, but they don't.   Seems that the Bible has taken a back seat to social media these days.  Scholarly views of the Bible are often attacked and ridiculed by those who prefer electronic interpretations by their favorite religious celebrities.  The words of Luke in the books of Acts is normally ignored.  He is quoted in the 17th chapter as saying the Berean Jews were noble because they studied scripture diligently to see if the things they'd heard were true.

That being said, the reference to the King of the North is generally thought to represent European powers in general and the papacy in particular.  

Daniel describes a series of power struggles between the king of the north and the king of the south.   Kings of the south are generally interpreted these days as representing Muslim coalitions that fight against the west/the church.   Kings of the north are generally interpreted to represent a European coalition against Islam.  Therefore the common interpretation of Daniel's prophecy suggests a prediction that in the End Times a Muslim coalition will push against the king of the north.  Daniel describes the king of the north responding with deadly intent and pushing back against the king of the south.  

The interpretation is rather loose and doesn't take into consideration the factors that inspire present day issues.  In point of fact, it more accurately describes the events of the Crusades/Middle Ages than it does those of the present day.   The Crusades began as a Muslim 'push' into Europe in the region of Spain and Austria.   The Papacy, the king of the north, responded by calling for armed defense of Europe and eventually succeeded in ejecting Muslim powers from Spain and Eastern Europe.   It didn't end there, however.   Encouraged by success on the battlefield, the papacy called for armed invasion of the Middle East with the goal of liberating Jerusalem from Islamic authority.   It succeeded on the first attempt, called the first Crusade.   Unfortunately due to lack of support the Christians were ejected from Jerusalem during what is known as the 2nd crusade.    Battles raged back and forth, mostly backward, with Christians being ultimately defeated by Caliph Mehmet II when the city of Constantinople was taken in battle.   This series of battles more clearly fulfills Daniels description of the wars between the king of the north and the king of the south.

or maybe it doesn't.......    anyway, what I'm suggesting is that the current battles in the middle east may not be the only interpretation of Daniel 11.... or maybe both are valid.....kind of like Daniel's references to the abomination of desolation - which happened twice in history; once at the hands of the Greeks and once at the hands of Rome.   

What I'm saying is that Biblical prophecies sometimes have the strange ability to act more than once.   The coming of Christ is a primary example.   Messiah comes more than once.

btw, the historic period of the middle ages is generally thought to span the time between the fall of ROME in 476 AD and the fall of Constantinople in 1453.

Hope this helps.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...   

Edited October 19, 2019 by choir loft

[Alive]

It seemed to me that Shilohsfoal was thinking of Trump as the king of the north and I wanted to hear his thoughts on that.

But, thanks for your thoughts, choir.

[Alive]

Time always tells. Time has a big mouth.

I followed that thread regarding the discussion where one party thinks the King of the north is Putin or a leader of Russia and the other Turkey.

The only logic I can apply to this is that Turkey is more likely, as it is territory that has been involved in Israel's past, where Russia doesn't seem to hold that same honor.

[Justin Adams]

There may be a cosmic geographical significance to this. Bashan (gates of hell) is north of Jerusalem. Domineered by Mt Hermon at a very Ba'al like place of demon worship and Roman gods. Supernatural meets Natural. "As in heaven, so on the earth.."

If it is in reference to a spiritual and physical battle, then plain geography of those places will not mean much. But if it where the final evil hoards moves on God's Throne, it might well be a reference to the final battle for God's Holy Mountain.

[Alive]

And yet there have always been references in the history of Israel to actual natural nations and kings and we know that it is God that establishes nations and kings and has done so for His purposes.

[Alive]

How much of Iran is Islamic?

[Alive]

Yup---these guys are nutz alright.

Israel must be fully aware of these things, as well as the USA and the entire UN.