createdequal Posted October 2, 2019 Group: Catholic Followers: 3 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 591 Content Per Day: 0.34 Reputation: 96 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/05/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted October 2, 2019 well, obviously one thing that annoys me when I hear that is: it implies you are a-ok w/ God just as you are which I doubt is the case. We are all sinners and we are all called to "Go and sin no more" but what really bugs me about it is: HOW DO YOU KNOW? You are not your own judge. Even St Paul said that while he knows of nothing offensive (paraphrase) within him, he nonetheless is not his own judge So again, I believe in the doctrine that salvation is a process.. Yes, we have those lovely experiences that change us radically. But unless we die immediately afterward... yeh, we are going to have many crosses to bear and many trials and who knows whether we will do the right thing in those situations? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TraceMalin Posted October 2, 2019 Group: Junior Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 120 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 105 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/02/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/05/1968 Share Posted October 2, 2019 8 minutes ago, createdequal said: well, obviously one thing that annoys me when I hear that is: it implies you are a-ok w/ God just as you are which I doubt is the case. We are all sinners and we are all called to "Go and sin no more" but what really bugs me about it is: HOW DO YOU KNOW? You are not your own judge. Even St Paul said that while he knows of nothing offensive (paraphrase) within him, he nonetheless is not his own judge So again, I believe in the doctrine that salvation is a process.. Yes, we have those lovely experiences that change us radically. But unless we die immediately afterward... yeh, we are going to have many crosses to bear and many trials and who knows whether we will do the right thing in those situations? Faith. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelInTraining93 Posted October 2, 2019 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 44 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 239 Content Per Day: 0.14 Reputation: 212 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/27/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/16/1993 Share Posted October 2, 2019 10 minutes ago, createdequal said: well, obviously one thing that annoys me when I hear that is: it implies you are a-ok w/ God just as you are which I doubt is the case. We are all sinners and we are all called to "Go and sin no more" but what really bugs me about it is: HOW DO YOU KNOW? You are not your own judge. Even St Paul said that while he knows of nothing offensive (paraphrase) within him, he nonetheless is not his own judge So again, I believe in the doctrine that salvation is a process.. Yes, we have those lovely experiences that change us radically. But unless we die immediately afterward... yeh, we are going to have many crosses to bear and many trials and who knows whether we will do the right thing in those situations? Romans 10:9 and 10:10 will help you find out whether or not you are saved. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted October 2, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 599 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,265 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,993 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted October 2, 2019 Rom 10:9-10 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. ESV 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TraceMalin Posted October 2, 2019 Group: Junior Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 120 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 105 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/02/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/05/1968 Share Posted October 2, 2019 I'd better explain. Every time Jesus was presented with a person's faith He softened. He no sooner told the Canaanite woman to leave Him alone than this exchange in Matthew 15: 21Leaving that place, Jesus withdrew to the region of Tyre and Sidon. 22A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, "LORD, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is demon-possessed and suffering terribly." 23Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, "Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us." 24He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel." 25The woman came and knelt before him. "LORD, help me!" she said. 26He replied, "It is not right to take the children's bread and toss it to the dogs." 27"Yes it is, LORD," she said. "Even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master's table." 28Then Jesus said to her, "Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted." And her daughter was healed at that moment. 100% of the time Jesus responded to faith with love. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeauJangles Posted October 2, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 43 Topic Count: 229 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 10,900 Content Per Day: 2.91 Reputation: 12,145 Days Won: 68 Joined: 02/13/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1954 Share Posted October 2, 2019 16 minutes ago, createdequal said: So again, I believe in the doctrine that salvation is a process.. Life as a Christian for those who choose to follow after Jesus is a process known as sanctification. Salvation on the other hand, is granted upon request. We can't work for it, or none of us would have ever made it. Just a thought for consideration. Romans 10:13 13For whosoever shall call upon the name of the LORD shall be saved. KJV 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BeauJangles Posted October 2, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 43 Topic Count: 229 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 10,900 Content Per Day: 2.91 Reputation: 12,145 Days Won: 68 Joined: 02/13/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1954 Popular Post Share Posted October 2, 2019 1 hour ago, createdequal said: well, obviously one thing that annoys me when I hear that is: it implies you are a-ok w/ God just as you are which I doubt is the case. In 1828, at the age of 32, Charlotte Elliott suffered a serious illness that left her a semi-invalid. This caused depression, and within the year she experienced a severe spiritual crisis. Swiss evangelist Henry A. Cesàr Malan was visiting her family, and she confessed to him that she didn’t know how to come to Christ. His famous response was, "Come to Him just as you are." Her depression continued, however. One night, twelve years later, she lay awake, distressed by her uselessness as an invalid, and by doubts of her spiritual life. The next day, as she reflected on the previous night, she decided she needed to meet her spiritual troubles head on and conquer them by the grace of God. So she “gathered up in her soul the grand certainties, not of her emotions, but of her salvation: her Lord, His power, His promise” (Lutheran Hymnal Handbook). She took up pen and paper, and wrote down her own “formulae of faith,” remembering those words of the visiting evangelist. In the end she had the text “Just as I am, without one plea.” Her rule of faith has since become a comfort to millions, and we join with all Christians who experience doubt and uncertainty in their faith when we declare that Christ invites us to come to Him, just as we are. Just As I Am Just as I am, without one plea But that Thy blood was shed for me, And that Thou bidd'st me come to Thee, O Lamb of God, I come, I come. Just as I am, and waiting not To rid my soul of one dark blot, To Thee, whose blood can cleanse each spot, O Lamb of God, I come, I come. Just as I am, tho' tossed about With many many a conflict, many a doubt, Fightings and fears within, without, O Lamb of God, I come, I come. Just as I am, poor, wretched, blind: Sight, riches, healing of the mind, Yea, all I need in Thee to find, O Lamb of God, I come, I come. Just as I am, Thou wilt receive, Wilt welcome, pardon, cleanse, relieve; Because Thy promise I believe, O Lamb of God, I come, I come. Just as I am— Thy love unknown Hath broken ev'ry barrier down; Now to be Thine, yea, Thine alone, O Lamb of God, I come, I come. 1 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
createdequal Posted October 2, 2019 Group: Catholic Followers: 3 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 591 Content Per Day: 0.34 Reputation: 96 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/05/2019 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 2, 2019 1 hour ago, TraceMalin said: Faith. faith does not keep us from sinning. I have stopped sinning in big ways (more/less) but I still sin in not so big ways. For example, if someone irritates me by being illogical in demanding something that makes no sense.. (OK, I had this one situation in mind but what I mean is:) when someone just acts like an idiot for no valid reason (attacks you, say, bc you are Christian), well, I can find myself very angry and possibly saying things I shouldn't say. I don't do this as badly as I once did but still... I am far from losing my faith but I am not (probably) acting as Jesus would like. I have gotten to the point where I don't say hateful sounding stuff but I do not try to hide my anger.. There's that scripture Be angry but sin not in any case, again, faith does not stop us from sinning and when we, say, hold onto anger at some given person, we are NOT close to Jesus.. we are focused on that person, in a sense idolizing that person by spending our mental resources on him/her when really, talking to some people is a total waste of time (or thinking about them, rather) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
createdequal Posted October 2, 2019 Group: Catholic Followers: 3 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 591 Content Per Day: 0.34 Reputation: 96 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/05/2019 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 2, 2019 1 hour ago, AngelInTraining93 said: Romans 10:9 and 10:10 will help you find out whether or not you are saved. There is no way to know whether or not you are "saved" until you have been Judged. You can, as St Paul said, "know of nothing against" you but again, you are not your own judge. If St Paul says that, after all the evangelizing he did.. well, how can WE presume to know our eternal destination? and it is in any case dangerous to presume we are on our way to Heaven when maybe we are not.. maybe there is some big sin in our lives that we refuse to look at... very dangerous to presume one is already "there" already saved 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neighbor Posted October 2, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 18 Topic Count: 962 Topics Per Day: 0.35 Content Count: 13,724 Content Per Day: 5.04 Reputation: 9,117 Days Won: 6 Joined: 12/04/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/03/1885 Share Posted October 2, 2019 1 hour ago, createdequal said: HOW DO YOU KNOW? Hi, I do know. Why that would bug you or anyone? Do you want me to be in some doubt when there is none? I don't get any concern by anyone else about what I know. God the Holy Spirit has made it abundantly clear, I am of the flock of Jesus, and He loses not a one of His own. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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