logic and sense

[nobleseed]

5 minutes ago, Adstar said:

Faith is trusting God when our limited intellects cannot understand / work God out.. 

If you only trust in what your mind can comprehend then you are trusting in yourself only..

But we can be assured that on a joyful day we shall understand all things..

1 Corinthians 13: KJV

9"For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. {10} But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. {11} When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. {12} For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known."

my intellect comes from God, and he did not write a book the can't be understood. 

[nobleseed]

2 minutes ago, Neighbor said:

Hi, well does the Bible make sense ( to you ), or not?

yes it does

[nobleseed]

3 minutes ago, Neighbor said:

Hi, well does the Bible make sense ( to you ), or not?

yes it does or else i would not believe it

[Dennis1209]

Romans 1:22 (KJV) Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

[lftc]

@nobleseed

Logic runs into an assumption any way you take it, when dealing with the real issues of life.  We can set up logic problems for an academic excersize for beginning logic students that do not rely on assumption.  But as soon as you abandon the classroom and enter the real world, logic leads to faith.  Faith in your assumptions.

I see in the other posts you have done here that you have a strong belief in your logic.  Most of us that post on such topics do.  But we come to very different conclusions on some issues.  What unites us here is our assumption that we hold that God is real, that the author of the Bible is God and that Jesus is God in human form who died for the sins of the world, including abominations as you are referring to in your other posts.

A simple logic excersize is to use one of the many online tools available and look up abomination in one of the older translations. Here is some simple logic: 

• premise: Abomination has this definition in modern english:
  1. something greatly disliked or abhorred.
  2. intense aversion or loathing; detestation.
  3. a vile or shameful action, condition, or habit.
• premise: Abomination logically requires a object to operate against as it is a noun form of a verb.  Meaning that something or someone must feel the emotions that are descrirbed by the noun. 
  • example to ensure clarity: To a cat, carrots are an abomination.  To me, carrots are not an abomination
• 1st Subordinate conclusion - Intermediary premise: Abomination logically requires identification of the being experiencing the emotion
• premise: individual human opinion of state of abomination for a particular object is not consistent with other humans
• premise: individual human opinion of state of abomination for a particular object is not consistent with God
  • example for clarity:
    • some humans:  "I love gossip"
    • God (as stated in the bible): "I hate gossip"
• 2nd Subordinate conclusion - Intermediary premise: Bible must be source for definition of what is an abomination
• premise: many human actions are an abomination in God's opinion
  • proof by using subset of human actions
    • Proverbs 6:  16There are six things that the Lord hates,
      seven that are an abomination to him:
      17haughty eyes, a lying tongue,
      and hands that shed innocent blood,
      18a heart that devises wicked plans,
      feet that make haste to run to evil,
      19a false witness who breathes out lies,
      and one who sows discord among brothers.
  • Other proofs from the Bible can be found by a simple word search on abomination and it's synonyms
• premise:  I feel that my logic is superior, making me guilty of Haughty eyes
• premise: I post this rubric makeing me guilty of sowing discord
• premise: Abominations are sin
• premise: Sin separates people from God
• premise: Hell is separation from God
• premise:  (this premise is left out as a puzzle)
• CONCLUSION: I am not going to hell for posting this

What is the missing premise?

 

[johnthebaptist]

2 hours ago, nobleseed said:

its funny when it comes to God and understanding the bible how logic and sense go out the window.  a lot of people draw some strange conclusions and have even stranger beliefs.  they even believe stuff the bible says not to, like Jesus was an angel (Hebrews), or that Jesus was active before he was even born.  God is a logical God and he has given us the ability to reason(though obviously not to all) and to me the bible has to make sense or else it has not credibility at all.

But the Lord taught us not to trust our own understanding, but rather, trust him.

[enoob57]

When I examine the creation and see the meticulous intricate design-I know that I can not rely on my own abilities but am thrown upon the mercy of He Who has created such... faith is a beautiful evidence of being built from His Word by the power of The Holy Spirit into my life so that it is no longer mine but wonderfully of Him Who is merciful... Spiritual relevance is key in substance to that which God is keeping for the eternal home of the new heaven and earth.

[Neighbor]

1 hour ago, nobleseed said:

yes it does or else i would not believe it

Hi, Seems logical.

 

 And yet; the conclusion you express ( as I understand ) has made me wonder what you are trying to communicate.

 

[Alive]

Logic is a tool of the mind God gave us and Jesus Christ the Logos is the 'rational reason' for all things.

God is perfectly logical...this is true.

For us it is the same as any other faculty that has limitations when brought to bear on the things of God. If the Lord is trying to teach us something that touches our own self-confidence or natural strength in order to make us 'weak' so that He may be 'strong' in and through us-- that thing needs to be let go. For some folks logic and innate organic intelligence may be such a thing at one time or another.

At such times we might cry out as Abraham did in such circumstances, Gen. 17:18 And Abraham said to God, “Oh that Ishmael might live before You!”

Edited October 12, 2019 by Alive

[Coliseum]

3 hours ago, nobleseed said:

its funny when it comes to God and understanding the bible how logic and sense go out the window.  a lot of people draw some strange conclusions and have even stranger beliefs.  they even believe stuff the bible says not to, like Jesus was an angel (Hebrews), or that Jesus was active before he was even born.  God is a logical God and he has given us the ability to reason(though obviously not to all) and to me the bible has to make sense or else it has not credibility at all.

"Very truly I tell you," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!" John 8:58

I hope you become more acquainted with the Scriptures. God bless.