The law

[Sower]

Galatians 3

Faith or Works of the Law

3 You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. ² I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? ³ Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh?^{[a] 4} Have you experienced^[b] so much in vain—if it really was in vain? ⁵ So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard?

[Blood Bought 1953]

3 hours ago, Cletus said:

Rom 3:31  Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

As believers we may be free from the curse... but not from obedience.  

Gal 5:22  But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23  Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

oh, so there is law against the other stuff?  you bet.

lets bottom line this... there is no "loophole" which is perverting God's grace as a means to remain in sin.  this is not How God operates or what He expects of us.  How do we know this?... by scripture which says to Love God and love your neighbor is fulfilling the law.  You see... we establish the law.  and if we do establish the law then we do not do those things the law forbids and scripture tells us if we do we shall not inherit the kingdom. 

 

I agree that we need to “ bottom line” this.One “ perverts” Grace by trying to mix it with Law.God devoted an entire Book of the Bible to this subject.That’s how important it is to see that adding Law to Grace cancels grace and leaves one “ severed from the Cross Of Jesus”. This Book is called Galations.Do you have an easy to understand Bible where you could read or reread this Book—- it’s only 6 Chapters and you could learn how to rest in the Finished Work Of The Cross instead of trying to “ establish the Law” by “ not doing things that the Law forbids” . Trying to avoid sinning is Great! God will bless you for it! He just won’t save you because of it.If anyone ever gets Saved it will be because they did not put their faith in their pitiful attempts to adhere to the Law..... it will be because they saw their inability to keep it and turned to the Savior who kept it FOR them.Nothing But The blood.Have you  sung that song lately? It’s the Way .....and it’s the “ loop- hole” God provided for all of us Law-Breaking Sinners like you and I.

 

[Blood Bought 1953]

9 minutes ago, Abdicate said:

Christians Hear!

Romans 6:1-23
What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound?  By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?  Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?  We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life.  For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his.  We know that our old self was crucified with him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin.  For one who has died has been set free from sin.  Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him.  We know that Christ, being raised from the dead, will never die again; death no longer has dominion over him.  For the death he died he died to sin, once for all, but the life he lives he lives to God.  So you also must consider yourselves dead to sin and alive to God in Christ Jesus.  Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, to make you obey its passions.  Do not present your members to sin as instruments for unrighteousness, but present yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life, and your members to God as instruments for righteousness.  For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.  What then? Are we to sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means!  Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness?  But thanks be to God, that you who were once slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the standard of teaching to which you were committed,  and, having been set free from sin, have become slaves of righteousness.  I am speaking in human terms, because of your natural limitations. For just as you once presented your members as slaves to impurity and to lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves to righteousness leading to sanctification.  For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness.  But what fruit were you getting at that time from the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death.  But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the fruit you get leads to sanctification and its end, eternal life.  For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. 

 

2 Peter 2:20-22
For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first.  For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them.  What the true proverb says has happened to them: “The dog returns to its own vomit, and the sow, after washing herself, returns to wallow in the mire.” 

 

Repent of your sins for which God gave you POWER to overcome. Cease the lies that you cannot stop sinning! That is the flesh speaking, and if you continue in sin without repentance, you will die in your sins!

 

 

 

Repent of your sins for which God gave you POWER to overcome. Cease the lies that you cannot stop sinning! That is the flesh speaking, and if you continue in sin without repentance, you will die in your sins!

 

The above is the Doctrine Of “ Lucky Repentance” That has supplanted God’s Way Of dealing with sin. God’s Way Of dealing with Sin is Grace— ALL sins forgiven if you rest in the Gospel .That triggers Love and Gratitude which is a far better motivation for living a life that is pleasing to God than “ Do Do this and Don’t do that” and then God will declare me fit for Heaven.Nothing But The Blood is the Way To Salvation.Fight sin  for your own benefit, you’ll be a better man for it —- just realize it ain’t gonna save you.

 

[steve morrow]

GRACE : GOD DEFINES --- not man the liar and deceiver

2 Corinthians 12:9 and HE said unto me MY GRACE is ---sufficient--- for thee for MY strength is made perfect in weakness most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities that the power of CHRIST may rest upon me

PROVERBS 24:5 a wise man is strong yea a man of knowledge increaseth strength 

PROVERBS 8:14 ---counsel is mine--- and sound wisdom I am understanding I HAVE STRENGTH

1 CORINTHIANS 3:10 according to the grace of GOD which is given unto me as a wise masterbuilder I have laid the foundation and another buildeth thereon 

---but let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon---

PSALM 127:1 except THE LORD build the house they labor in vain that build it except THE LORD keep the city the watchman waketh but in vain

*******TITUS 2:11 for the grace of GOD that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men --2:12-- TEACHING US that denying ungodliness and worldly lusts we should live soberly righteously and godly in this present world*******

ACTS 20:32 and now brethren I commend you to GOD ---and to the word of HIS grace--- which is able to build you up and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified 

COLOSSIANS 1:5 for the hope which is laid up for you in heaven whereof you heard before ---in the word of the truth of the gospel --1:6-- which is come unto you as it is in all the world and bringeth forth fruit as it does also in you since the day you heard of it and knew ---THE GRACE OF GOD IN TRUTH---

PSALM 119:142 thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness --- and thy law is the truth 

PROVERBS 6:23 for the commandment is a lamp ---and the law is light---and reproofs of instruction are the way of life 

PSALM 119:130 the entrance of thy words giveth light it giveth understanding unto the simple

HEBREWS 3:3 for this man was counted worthy of more glory than moses in as much as he who hath builded the house hath more honor than the house --3:4--for every house is builded by some man but HE that built all things is GOD --3:5--and moses verily was faithful in all his house as a servant for a testimony of those things which were to be spoken after --3:6--but CHRIST as a son over HIS own house --whose house are we--IF-- we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end 

PSALM 144:3 LORD what is man that thou takest knowledge of him or the son of man that thou makest account of him

COLOSSIANS 3:25 but he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done --- and there is no respect of persons

REVELATION 2:21  and I gave her space to repent of her fornication and she repented not --2:24--behold I will cast her into a bed and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation ---except they repent of their deeds --2:25-- and I will kill her children with death and all the churches shall know that --I AM HE--which searcheth the reins and hearts and I will give unto everyone of you according to his works 

 

LOVING THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AND OUR FATHER

 

[Daily verse and quote]

Thank you for "fleshing out" the many other

biblical examples referring to "grace".

[Blood Bought 1953]

 

Romans 11:6.    “ And if it is by Grace , then it cannot be based on Works— if it were, Grace would no longer be Grace”

 “ And since it is through God’s kindness, then it is not by good works. For if that were the case, God’s Grace would not be what it really is— free and undeserved”

 “ Where sin abounds.....Grace abounds that much more”

Can Believers take God’s Grace as a “ license to sin ?”  Sure they can.When God decided to bestow His Wondrous Grace on His Children, do you really think God was taken by surprise and did not know how to handle those that were stupid enough to think that they could “ sin and get away with it” because ALL sins were paid for on the Cross? God knows how to chastise His wayward Children who want to see what they can get away with— to the point of striking them dead.They are still His Children.The Bible declares that when we get to Heaven, Jesus will be wiping the tears away from many.Ever wonder what they were crying about? Perhaps they are crying about the wasted lives they lived and the shameful things they did when it hits them as to what Jesus did for them and they spit on it.Knowing you spit on the very thing that saved you.......the Grace  that Jesus  went through Hell to provide for you.It would  be enough to make any sane person cry.Those that add to Grace....the Legalists.....will fare even worse than this.Jesus ain’t gonna wipe their tears away—- they are in danger of crying for Eternity. It all depends on what “ falling from Grace” means.It also depends on what “ being severed from the Cross” means.Those that mix Law and Grace are in those two bad places.I am a wretched man , guilty of many things. But I ain’t guilty of that.Those like me That put all of their Faith in the Shed Blood Of Christ Plus NOTHING are gonna make it.That just might  be the “ Narrow Gate”.I hope others join me there.....

 

[Blood Bought 1953]

 

 

Real Christians do not continue in sin. Habitual sinners are a sign they are not really Christians. God says you will be judged for your works.

 

Poor Paul.His struggle with sin that was discussed in Romans 7 was written many years after he was saved on the road toDamascus......guess he was not a “ Real Christian”.

I bet God took out His judgement on Paul’s sins the same way he did mine....He took the Judgement that I deserved and put it all on Christ at the Cross.He took my sins and in turn I got His Righteousness.Remarkable, isn’t it? It’s so remarkable , it makes me want to sin less.I think that I am on to something.

[dhchristian]

Just now, Blood Bought 1953 said:

it makes me want to sin less.I think that I am on to something.

That is the LAW of the Spirit of Life (Romans 8:1ff)

[Blood Bought 1953]

35 minutes ago, Cletus said:

 

 the scripture i quoted "yay we establish the law"... i guess you dont want to be apart of the group referred to in this scripture called "we"  and according to scripture there is only two groups.  we and they.  you dont seem to want to be apart of the we group.  why not?  you seem to want to go another way. 

Have fun with that. 

 

 

 

I got something much better than “ fun”......I have JOY! Everyday.It comes automatically when you rest in the Finished Work Of The Cross.I hope you and your friends experience it some day.You May claim to have this Joy, but if you do not Sabbath in the Way that God intended it to be , God will forbid it.Anybody here that has a natural aversion to “ cut and paste” stuff can ignore what follows. Those that are open to learning no matter what form the teaching takes......maybe you will learn something new from the following:

 

The Bible makes some interesting comparisons between faith and law:

• We are justified by FAITH, not by LAW (Rom 3:28, Gal 2:16)
• Abraham and his heirs are blessed on account of FAITH, not LAW (Rom 4:13-14)
• You can live by FAITH or LAW (Rom 4:14)
• No one who relies on the LAW is justified for the righteous live by FAITH (Gal 3:11)
• The LAW is not of FAITH (Gal 3:12)

Summary: You can live by faith or law but not both. It’s one or the other. But what about this…

Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. (Rom 3:31, KJV)

The scriptures declare again and again that faith has nothing in common with law, and living under one nullifies the other. So what is Paul saying here? Is he contradicting himself when he says faith establishes the law? Here’s the same verse in another translation:

Do we then nullify the Law through faith? May it never be! On the contrary, we establish the Law. (Rom 3:31 , NASB)

Like most grace preachers, Paul was slandered as someone who spoke against the law. He was labeled with the dreaded A-word: antinomian, meaning anti- or against the law. This is his response to that baseless accusation.

Sidebar: If you have never been accused of being an antinomian, perhaps that’s a sign you’re preaching a different gospel from Paul. Personally, I get accused of being an antinomiam on an almost weekly basis. For the record, I am for the law. I agree with Paul who said the law is holy, righteous and good (Rom 7:12). And I also agree with him when he says the law is not for the righteous but the sinner and ungodly (1 Tim 1:9). The law is a signpost to Jesus (Gal 3:24).

Paul says again and again that we are to live by faith, not law, but living by faith does not make one anti-law. On the contrary, it is by faith that we establish or support the law.

How do we establish or uphold the law? By trusting in Jesus who kept the law perfectly and by whose perfect sacrifice we are made righteous:

So the law was put in charge of us until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law. (Gal 3:24-25, TNIV)

Those who trust in their law-keeping performance may scorn those of us who are walking by grace, but the fact is we are 100% lawful while they are the lawbreakers.

You do NOT establish the law by:

• trying to keep it (you can’t)
• adopting it as a standard for holy living (it’s a recipe for inferior living, see Heb 10:1)
• mixing it with grace (you’ll end up lukewarm and alienated from Christ)
• thinking your rule-keeping pleases the Lord (trusting in your flesh never pleases him)
• posting it on your Sunday School wall (it’s a ministry that condemns!)
• telling yourself “it’s part of our Christian heritage” (it never was!)

You DO uphold the law by putting your faith in the One who fulfilled all the righteous requirements of the law on your behalf and who offers you his perfect righteousness as a gift.

Christ is the culmination of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes. (Rom 10:4)

Romans 3:31 says we uphold the law by faith. Period. If you’re not convinced, it may help to look at the verse in context:

• verse 28: You are justified by faith, not by law
• verse 29: In any case only one nation received the law, yet God is God of all
• verse 30: God will justify both the Jew and non-Jew by faith
• verse 31: Does that mean God’s gift to the Jews was wasted? Not at all! As long as you end up with Jesus, then you uphold the law

The Jews were misusing the law. They thought it made them righteous and pleasing to God. Paul wrote to correct this:

No one is righteous. All have sinned and fall short – even the law-loving Jews. The law doesn’t make you righteous; it makes you conscious of sin so that you may be justified freely by grace. (my paraphrase of Romans 3)

Live by the law and you dishonor both it and Jesus. According to Romans 7, living by the law is spiritual adultery. It’s cheating on the One who died to set you free from the law’s heavy demands .

The law points to Jesus. If you are relying on Christ and his perfect work, then you uphold the law and honor the reason for which it was given.

 

[steve morrow]

GENESIS 26:5 because that Abraham obeyed MY voice and kept MY charge MY commandments MY statutes --AND MY LAWS 

ROMANS 4:20 he staggered not at the promise of GOD through unbelief but was strong in faith giving glory to GOD --4:21-- and being fully persuaded that what HE had promised HE was able to perform 

JAMES 2:23 and the scripture was fulfilled which saith Abraham believed GOD and it was imputed unto him for righteousness and he was called the friend of GOD --2:24--you see then how that by works a man is justified and not by faith only 

JOHN 15:14 you are MY FRIENDS ---IF--- you do whatsoever I command you 

JOHN 14:15 --IF-- you love me keep MY commandments --14:21-- he that hath MY commandments and keepeth them he it is that loveth ME and he that loveth me shall be loved of MY FATHER and I will love him and will manifest myself to him 

*******1 CORINTHIANS 16:22 --IF ANY MAN-- love not THE LORD JESUS CHRIST let him be anathema maranatha******* 

MARK 7:7 howbeit in vain do they worship ME teaching for doctrines the commandments of men 

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2 JOHN 1:9 --WHOSOEVER-- transgresseth and --ABIDETH NOT-- in the doctrine of CHRIST ---HATH NOT GOD---he that abideth in the doctrine of CHRIST he hath both THE FATHER AND THE SON --1:10-- if there come any unto you and bring not this doctrine ---receive him not into your house--- neither bid him GOD speed --1:11-- for he that biddeth him GOD speed is partaker of his evil deeds 

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GALATIANS 6:2 bear you one anothers burdens ---AND SO FULFIL THE LAW OF CHRIST---

ROMANS 2:13 for not the hearers of the law are just before GOD ---BUT THE DOERS OF THE LAW SHALL BE JUSTIFIED ---

*******is not this true  --- THE OLD REPLACED BY THE NEW ( BEFORE & AFTER )*******

2 CORINTHIANS but if the ministration of death written and engraven in stones was glorious so that the children of israel could not stedfastly behold the face of moses for the glory of his countenance ---WHICH GLORY WAS TO BE DONE AWAY ---3:8 how shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious --3:9-- for if the ministration of condemnation be glory --MUCH MORE--does the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory --3:10--for even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect ---BY REASON OF THE GLORY THAT EXCELLEETH --- for if that which is done away was glorious much more that which remaineth is glorious 

ROMANS 8:2 for the law of the spirit of life in CHRIST JESUS hath made me free --- from the law of sin and death 

JOHN 6:63 it is the spirit that quickeneth ---THE FLESH PROFITETH NOTHING---the words that I speak unto you they are spirit and they are life 

Hebrews 7:12 for the priesthood being changed there is of necessity a change also of the law 

ROMANS 6:16 --KNOW YOU NOT-- that to whom you yield yourselves servants to obey his servants you are to whom you obey whether of sin unto death or of obedience unto righteousness 

PROVERBS 16:25 there is a way --THAT SEEMETH RIGHT UNTO A MAN-- but the end thereof are the ways of death 

PROVERBS 28:9 he that turneth away his ear from hearing the law even his prayer shall be abomination

 

LOVING THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AND --HIS WAYS!!!--