GALATIANS 1:8 WHO IS ACCURSED ?

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3 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

² This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

 

 

Amazing...Paul called the Law teachers, "witches".

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2 minutes ago, BibleGuy said:

 

"Wrong.   There are 2 Laws now...."

 

Of COURSE!  I just told you what they are:

1. Law of sinful disobedience and death (Dt. 30:15-19)

2. Law of righteous obedience and life (Dt.50:15-19)

 

Rom. 8:2 only proves we are not under Law #1.

Rom. 8 ALSO proves we are UNDER LAW #2!

Here's the evidence:

1. Rom. 8:2 upholds Christ who requires all Torah (Mt.4:4;5:19-20;7:21-23;13:41-42;22:37;23:2-3,23,34;Lk.10:25-28) for ALL disciples of ALL nations (Mt.28:19-20)

2. Rom. 8:2 upholds the SPIRIT who testifies we obey TORAH (Heb.10:15-16), even all Torah ordinances (Eze.36:27) "from now and forever" (Is.59:20-21 cited at Rom.11:26-27).

3. Rom. 8:3 confirms SIN is BAD.  SIN is Torah-disobedience (Rom.3:20;7:7;1Jn.3:4).  STOP SINNING (1Cor.15:34) thus means OBEY TORAH.

4. Rom. 8:4 upholds the RIGHTEOUSNESS OF THE LAW which is exhibited in TORAH-OBEDIENCE (Dt. 6:25;Is.56:1;Da.12:3;Eze.18:5-9;2Ti.3:16;Mt.5:20).

5. Rom. 8:4 confirms the FLESH IS BAD.  The FLESH disobeys Torah (Rom.8:7).  Thus Torah-disobedience is bad.  Thus, DO GOOD (Gal.6:10) entails OBEYING TORAH.

6. Rom. 8:4 upholds the SPIRIT who testifies we obey TORAH (Heb.10:15-16), even all Torah ordinances (Eze.36:27) "from now and forever" (Is.59:20-21 cited at Rom.11:26-27).

7. Rom. 8:13 confirms the SPIRIT opposes the flesh.  And the flesh disobeys Torah (Rom.8:7).  Thus the Spirit opposes Torah-disobedience.  Thus the Spirit leads us to OBEY TORAH!

8. Paul JUST TOLD US that he CONTINUES to serve (Rom.7:6).  Serve what?  TORAH! (Rom.7:25).

9. Paul UPHOLDS the New Covenant (1Cor.11) which is given as TORAH (Jer.31:33;Heb.8:10;10:16).

10. Paul says TORAH-OBEDIENCE is the word of faith he preaches (citing Dt. 30:14 at Rom.10:8).

11. Paul requires ALL Torah (1Cor.7:19).

12. Paul condones an animal-sacrifice-laden vow to prove he "walks orderly according to the law" (Ac.21); Paul requires that YOU imitate that Torah-obedient model (1Cor.11:1;Php.4:9).

 

"Which means you mind the things of the flesh."

You're UPSIDE DOWN buddy!  The flesh DISOBEYS Torah (Rom.8:7).   I OBEY Torah.

Try again!

 

"You need to mind the things of the Spirit."

You mean the Spirit who leads us to obey Torah? (Heb.10:15-16;Eze.36:27;Rom.8:13 + Rom.8:7;Jn.6:63 + Mt.5:19;Ps. 51:11,19)

Ok!  Let's obey the Holy Spirit of Torah who leads us to walk in the Spirit in faithful Torah-obedience!

After all, we are given the Holy Spirit IF we obey God (Ac.5:32) who commands TORAH (Dt.1:3;5:27-33).

So OBEY in the Spirit!

Don't walk in the FLESH which DISOBEYS TORAH (Rom.8:7)....that's BAD.

So OBEY!

 

"Get it right."

Ok.  We should do what is RIGHT (Ac.10:35) and FEAR GOD (Ac.10:35)....

And those who fear God obey TORAH (Dt.17:19;28:58;31:12).

That's why Peter applies Lev. 11 to you (1Pe.1:16).

STOP eating pork (1Pe.1:16 citing Lev.11).

OBEY!

 

blessings...

 

 

 

 

2 Laws in one testament.

Yikes!!!

[BibleGuy]

3 hours ago, KJVOnly said:

Thy scriptures....

 

⁶ From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;

⁷ Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.

⁸ But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;

⁹ Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

¹⁰ For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

 

 

Are you righteous or unrighteous?

If unrighteous, the Law is right up your alley.

 

 

 

I already answered you....

I am righteous in Christ who requires all Torah (Mt.5:19) for ALL disciples of ALL nations (Mt.28:19-20).

You should obey Torah too!  Or else you've OPPOSED the very substance of the Great Commission in Mt. 28:19-20.

 

RIGHTEOUS people obey TORAH (Dt. 6:25;Is.56:1;Eze.18:5-9;Da.12:3;2Ti.3:16;Mt.5:20).

RIGHTEOUSNESS is something you DO (1Jn.2:29;3:7) or else you are a child of the devil (1Jn.3:10).

 

So OF COURSE the PROHIBITIVE LAWS (e.g., don't kill, don't lie, don't XYZ....) do not apply to RIGHTEOUS people....because RIGHTEOUS people are ALREADY OBEYING ALL TORAH! (Dt. 6:25;Is.56:1;Eze.18:5-9;Da.12:3;2Ti.3:16;Mt.5:20).

 

After all, 1 Ti. 1 is written by PAUL who requires TORAH!

Here's more proof you've not bothered to address:

2Ti.3:16

1Cor.7:19

1Cor. 11 + Jer.31:33

Rom.2:13

Rom.2:27

Rom.3:20 + 1Cor.15:34

Rom.7:25 + 1Cor.11:1

Dt. 30:14 + Rom.10:8

Is.59:20-21 + Rom.11:26-27

Ac. 21:24 + Php.4:9

 

After all, the law is GOOD (Rom.7:12;1Ti.1:8).  So DO GOOD (Gal.6:10) entails OBEYING TORAH.

So OBEY!

 

blessings...

 

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³ Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.

 

Ouch

 

⁶ Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

 

Ooof

 

 

⁷ But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

⁸ How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

⁹ For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

¹⁰ For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.

¹¹ For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

 

Gut shot

 

¹³ And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:

¹⁴ But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.

 

Face plant

 

[BibleGuy]

3 hours ago, KJVOnly said:

Everything you just said contradicts this.....

 

¹⁸ But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.....

But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
 

 

OOPS!

The SPIRIT testifies we obey TORAH (Heb.10:15-16;Eze.36:27;Is.59:20-21;Rom.8:13 + Rom.8:7;Jn.6:63 + Mt. 5:19).

 

And there are TWO LAWS:

1. The law of sinful disobedience and death (Dt.30:15-19)

2. The law of righteous obedience and life (Dt.30:15-19)

 

Rom. 8:2 merely proves you are not under LAW #1.

Paul REQUIRES Law #2!

Here's the proof you continue to NOT address:

 

2Ti.3:16

1Cor.7:19

1Cor. 11 + Jer.31:33

Rom.2:13

Rom.2:27

Rom.3:20 + 1Cor.15:34

Rom.7:25 + 1Cor.11:1

Dt. 30:14 + Rom.10:8

Is.59:20-21 + Rom.11:26-27

Ac. 21:24 + Php.4:9

 

After all, Paul serves in the SPIRIT (Rom.7:6).

SERVES WHAT?   TORAH! (Rom.7:25)

So OBEY!

 

blessings...

 

[KJVOnly]

6 minutes ago, BibleGuy said:

I already answered you....

I am righteous in Christ who requires all Torah (Mt.5:19) for ALL disciples of ALL nations (Mt.28:19-20).

You should obey Torah too!  Or else you've OPPOSED the very substance of the Great Commission in Mt. 28:19-20.

 

RIGHTEOUS people obey TORAH (Dt. 6:25;Is.56:1;Eze.18:5-9;Da.12:3;2Ti.3:16;Mt.5:20).

RIGHTEOUSNESS is something you DO (1Jn.2:29;3:7) or else you are a child of the devil (1Jn.3:10).

 

So OF COURSE the PROHIBITIVE LAWS (e.g., don't kill, don't lie, don't XYZ....) do not apply to RIGHTEOUS people....because RIGHTEOUS people are ALREADY OBEYING ALL TORAH! (Dt. 6:25;Is.56:1;Eze.18:5-9;Da.12:3;2Ti.3:16;Mt.5:20).

 

After all, 1 Ti. 1 is written by PAUL who requires TORAH!

Here's more proof you've not bothered to address:

2Ti.3:16

1Cor.7:19

1Cor. 11 + Jer.31:33

Rom.2:13

Rom.2:27

Rom.3:20 + 1Cor.15:34

Rom.7:25 + 1Cor.11:1

Dt. 30:14 + Rom.10:8

Is.59:20-21 + Rom.11:26-27

Ac. 21:24 + Php.4:9

 

After all, the law is GOOD (Rom.7:12;1Ti.1:8).  So DO GOOD (Gal.6:10) entails OBEYING TORAH.

So OBEY!

 

blessings...

 

What about the other 34 books of the O.T.?

Not the Law?

Who says? 

Edited December 22, 2019 by KJVOnly

[BibleGuy]

3 hours ago, KJVOnly said:

You are righteous?

Good.

Where do you  fit in here?

 

⁶ From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;

⁷ Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.

⁸ But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;

⁹ Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

¹⁰ For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

 

 

Just curious...why do you want to be in the latter group?(who the Law is made for)?

 

"Just curious...why do you want to be in the latter group?(who the Law is made for)?"

Why would you want to DISOBEY TORAH and, thus, have the PROHIBITIVE TORAH LAWS judge your sinful behavior?

Of course you don't want that!

SO OBEY!

 

I do NOT want to be in the group of people to whom the PROHIBITIVE LAWS apply!  That's WHY I obey all Torah, so that the PROHIBITIVE laws do not apply!

After all, DO NOT KILL does not apply to my specific behavior today, because I am NOT killing anybody today!

If I DO start killing people, then it DOES apply to me!  That's another good reason to NOT GO AROUND KILLING PEOPLE!

 

After all, that SAME PAUL upholds SOUND DOCTRINE (1Ti.1:10) which Paul models for us as TORAH-OBEDIENCE (Ac.21;2Ti.3:16;1Cor.7:19;1Cor.11:1).

 

Of course the PROHIBITIVE laws (e.g., do NOT kill, do NOT lie, do NOT perform bad action XYZ...) are not for righteous people....because righteous people are ALREADY OBEYING ALL TORAH! (Dt.6:25;Is.56:1;Eze.18:5-9;Da.12:3;Mt.5:20;2Ti.3:16)

 

And that SAME PAUL requires TORAH-OBEDIENCE.

Here's more proof you STILL NEED TO ADDRESS:

 

2Ti.3:16

1Cor.7:19

1Cor. 11 + Jer.31:33

Rom.2:13

Rom.2:27

Rom.3:20 + 1Cor.15:34

Rom.7:25 + 1Cor.11:1

Dt. 30:14 + Rom.10:8

Is.59:20-21 + Rom.11:26-27

Ac. 21:24 + Php.4:9

 

blessings...

 

[BibleGuy]

3 hours ago, KJVOnly said:

Question...was the Law made for anyone on this forum?

TORAH is for MEN (i.e., all people) TO LIVE (Mt. 4:4 citing Dt. 8:3 referencing TORAH).

OBEY TORAH and have ETERNAL LIFE (Lk.10:25-28).

Jesus was not joking.

It's ok to actually BELIEVE Jesus (Lk.10:25-28;Mt.5:19).

You can do it!

BELIEVE His words!

blessings...

 

[KJVOnly]

1 minute ago, BibleGuy said:

"Just curious...why do you want to be in the latter group?(who the Law is made for)?"

Why would you want to DISOBEY TORAH and, thus, have the PROHIBITIVE TORAH LAWS judge your sinful behavior?

Of course you don't want that!

SO OBEY!

 

I do NOT want to be in the group of people to whom the PROHIBITIVE LAWS apply!  That's WHY I obey all Torah, so that the PROHIBITIVE laws do not apply!

After all, DO NOT KILL does not apply to my specific behavior today, because I am NOT killing anybody today!

If I DO start killing people, then it DOES apply to me!  That's another good reason to NOT GO AROUND KILLING PEOPLE!

 

After all, that SAME PAUL upholds SOUND DOCTRINE (1Ti.1:10) which Paul models for us as TORAH-OBEDIENCE (Ac.21;2Ti.3:16;1Cor.7:19;1Cor.11:1).

 

Of course the PROHIBITIVE laws (e.g., do NOT kill, do NOT lie, do NOT perform bad action XYZ...) are not for righteous people....because righteous people are ALREADY OBEYING ALL TORAH! (Dt.6:25;Is.56:1;Eze.18:5-9;Da.12:3;Mt.5:20;2Ti.3:16)

 

And that SAME PAUL requires TORAH-OBEDIENCE.

Here's more proof you STILL NEED TO ADDRESS:

 

2Ti.3:16

1Cor.7:19

1Cor. 11 + Jer.31:33

Rom.2:13

Rom.2:27

Rom.3:20 + 1Cor.15:34

Rom.7:25 + 1Cor.11:1

Dt. 30:14 + Rom.10:8

Is.59:20-21 + Rom.11:26-27

Ac. 21:24 + Php.4:9

 

blessings...

 

Fascinating. Do you follow the other 34 books of the Law too, or only 5ish? 

[KJVOnly]

1 minute ago, BibleGuy said:

TORAH is for MEN (i.e., all people) TO LIVE (Mt. 4:4 citing Dt. 8:3 referencing TORAH).

OBEY TORAH and have ETERNAL LIFE (Lk.10:25-28).

Jesus was not joking.

It's ok to actually BELIEVE Jesus (Lk.10:25-28;Mt.5:19).

You can do it!

BELIEVE His words!

blessings...

 

Can't find "Torah" in the Bible.

Who invented that phrase?

Who said only 5 books are "Law" books?