GALATIANS 1:8 WHO IS ACCURSED ?

[BibleGuy]

1 hour ago, KJVOnly said:

⁶ Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

Death is life?

Mkay.

 

Of course not!

Why do you say silly things!

 

This passage is written by PAUL who requires all TORAH (2Ti.3:16).

That's referring to the NEW COVENANT which is given as TORAH (Jer.31:33;Heb.8:10;10:16).

This passage opposes the letter without the spirit.....so do BOTH!  TORAH (Rom.2:13) and the SPIRIT (1Cor.6:11) TOGETHER for justification.

After all, the Spirit leads us to obey TORAH (Heb.10:15-16;Eze. 36:27;Is.59:20-21;Rom.8:13 + Rom.8:7).

And we have LIFE (Mt.4:4) because we OBEY (Mt. 4:4 citing Dt. 8:3 referencing TORAH).

Not death!

LIFE is in OBEDIENCE (Dt. 30:15-19;Lk.10:25-28).

DEATH is in DISOBEDIENCE (Dt.30:15-19;Mt.13:41-42).

So OBEY!

 

 

 

 

[BibleGuy]

1 hour ago, KJVOnly said:

The entire O.T. is Law per Paul and Jesus.

Deal with it and keep all of it.

Don't be a piecemeal Law keeper.

Get with it.

Hey, what tribe you from....you have not mentioned it yet?

"The entire O.T. is Law per Paul and Jesus."

I doubt you have any proof that Paul or Jesus considers Ecclesiastes or the Song of Songs as "law".

 

"Deal with it and keep all of it."

Of course! 2Ti.3:16

 

"Don't be a piecemeal Law keeper."

I never was!  Obey it ALL (2Ti.3:16) to the extent possible in this present diaspora of course (Jas.1:1).

 

"Get with it."

Amen!  You too, brother!  Mt. 5:19

 

"Hey, what tribe you from....you have not mentioned it yet?"

Why assume tribal identity is already revealed to all Israelites?

I see no good reason for that assumption....

Besides, we have evidence that you may CHOOSE.

 

blessings...

 

[BibleGuy]

1 hour ago, KJVOnly said:

You just admitted that every O.T. book is Law.

Even Abraham kept the Law.

Now, keep all 39 books of it as described by Jesus and Paul or see another covenant.

"You just admitted that every O.T. book is Law."

Read again....I never said that.

I don't really know if Paul or Jesus would consider Ecclesiastes or Song of Songs or Esther as "law"....

but it doesn't matter.

Obey ALL Scripture (2Ti.3:16) to the extent possible in the present diaspora.

 

"Even Abraham kept the Law."

Abraham kept ABRAHAMIC Torahs (plural, Ge. 26:5).....NOT the Torah of Moses, which wasn't given until later.

 

"Now, keep all 39 books of it as described by Jesus and Paul or see another covenant."

Rather, keep all the TORAH OF MOSES (Jer.31:33) which passes into the NEW COVENANT (Heb.8:10;10:16).

 

blessings...

[KJVOnly]

23 minutes ago, BibleGuy said:

"You just admitted that every O.T. book is Law."

Read again....I never said that.

I don't really know if Paul or Jesus would consider Ecclesiastes or Song of Songs or Esther as "law"....

but it doesn't matter.

Obey ALL Scripture (2Ti.3:16) to the extent possible in the present diaspora.

 

"Even Abraham kept the Law."

Abraham kept ABRAHAMIC Torahs (plural, Ge. 26:5).....NOT the Torah of Moses, which wasn't given until later.

 

"Now, keep all 39 books of it as described by Jesus and Paul or see another covenant."

Rather, keep all the TORAH OF MOSES (Jer.31:33) which passes into the NEW COVENANT (Heb.8:10;10:16).

 

blessings...

Abrahamic Torah’s. Cmon. .....

 

Should these Mosaic mercy killings you recommend be painful?

[KJVOnly]

32 minutes ago, BibleGuy said:

Of course not!

Why do you say silly things!

 

This passage is written by PAUL who requires all TORAH (2Ti.3:16).

That's referring to the NEW COVENANT which is given as TORAH (Jer.31:33;Heb.8:10;10:16).

This passage opposes the letter without the spirit.....so do BOTH!  TORAH (Rom.2:13) and the SPIRIT (1Cor.6:11) TOGETHER for justification.

After all, the Spirit leads us to obey TORAH (Heb.10:15-16;Eze. 36:27;Is.59:20-21;Rom.8:13 + Rom.8:7).

And we have LIFE (Mt.4:4) because we OBEY (Mt. 4:4 citing Dt. 8:3 referencing TORAH).

Not death!

LIFE is in OBEDIENCE (Dt. 30:15-19;Lk.10:25-28).

DEATH is in DISOBEDIENCE (Dt.30:15-19;Mt.13:41-42).

So OBEY!

 

 

 

 

No silly. The passage says one testament kills. The other testament gives life to the dead. 

Those that mix these testaments are like a chicken running around with its head chopped off. Either he’s dead or alive. Not both

[KJVOnly]

36 minutes ago, BibleGuy said:

"The entire O.T. is Law per Paul and Jesus."

I doubt you have any proof that Paul or Jesus considers Ecclesiastes or the Song of Songs as "law".

 

"Deal with it and keep all of it."

Of course! 2Ti.3:16

 

"Don't be a piecemeal Law keeper."

I never was!  Obey it ALL (2Ti.3:16) to the extent possible in this present diaspora of course (Jas.1:1).

 

"Get with it."

Amen!  You too, brother!  Mt. 5:19

 

"Hey, what tribe you from....you have not mentioned it yet?"

Why assume tribal identity is already revealed to all Israelites?

I see no good reason for that assumption....

Besides, we have evidence that you may CHOOSE.

 

blessings...

 

You are most certainly a piecemeal Law keeper. 

How miserable that must be. 

You want so bad to smite various types of immoral sinners but Uncle Sam forbids you to keep your OT covenant(Law). He only lets you tinker with it.

I wonder if God has something to do with your predicament?

Hmmmm

 

Edited December 23, 2019 by KJVOnly

[BibleGuy]

3 hours ago, KJVOnly said:

Ahhh....you have an O.T. Spirit mixed with the New Covenant.

You are cool, but not too cool.

This is all I got....

 

 

¹² For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law....

 

¹⁸ For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

¹⁹ For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

 

I am stuck with Jesus alone, not Moses.

"you have an O.T. Spirit mixed with the New Covenant."

That's because the PROPHECY of the New Covenant is given in the O.T. (Jer.31:33)!

And the SAME TORAH passes into the NEW Covenant (Heb.8:10 CITES Jer.31:33).

 

"For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law"

" μετατίθημι " means TO GO OR PASS OVER, in Heb. 7:12.

Jesus PASSES OVER the Levitical Priesthood because the Levitical priesthood is ended?  NOPE!

Jesus PASSES OVER the Levitical Priesthood because He is NOT a Levite?  Yep!

Jesus is a MELCHIZEDEK Priest, NOT a Levitical Priest.  He is a Judahite (Heb.7:14).

That's WHY Jesus passes over (not changes!) the Levitical Priesthood so as to achieve His Melchizedek Priesthood purposes.

After all, that SAME AUTHOR of Hebrews tells us that the SAME TORAH OF MOSES passes into the NEW Covenant (citing Jer.31:33 at Heb.8:10 and 10:16).

Again, that SAME AUTHOR tells us that the shadow-function of Torah CONTINUES (PRESENT tense in Heb. 10:1).

Again, Moses promises that 100% of ALL Torah (thus including Levitical sacrifices!) will be obeyed in the future (Dt. 30:1-8).

Again, Jesus comes to RESTORE those very Levitical sacrifices "as in the days of old, as in former years" (Mal.3:4), so they are OBVIOUSLY not changed.

They are simply PASSED OVER by Jesus so that Jesus can transfer attention upon Melchizedek Priesthood rules which are pertinent to Him for His redemptive purposes.

 

"For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof."

Of COURSE the Levitical Commandments are put away for the purpose of the ONCE-FOR-ALL sacrifice (Heb. 7:27).....

That doesn't prove the Levitical Commandments are put away for EVERY purpose.

After all, that SAME AUTHOR of Hebrews tells us that the SAME TORAH OF MOSES passes into the NEW Covenant (citing Jer.31:33 at Heb.8:10 and 10:16).

Again, that SAME AUTHOR tells us that the shadow-function of Torah CONTINUES (PRESENT tense in Heb. 10:1).

Again, Moses promises that 100% of ALL Torah (thus including Levitical sacrifices!) will be obeyed in the future (Dt. 30:1-8).

Again, Jesus comes to RESTORE those very Levitical sacrifices "as in the days of old, as in former years" (Mal.3:4), so they are OBVIOUSLY not put away for EVERY purpose.
 

 

" For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God."

Of COURSE the Levitical sacrifices do not take away sins!  That's the POINT!  They merely COVERED/ATONED for sins.....whereas the sacrifice of Jesus' body fully takes our sins away.

That doesn't prove the Levitical Commandments are put away for EVERY purpose.

After all, that SAME AUTHOR of Hebrews tells us that the SAME TORAH OF MOSES passes into the NEW Covenant (citing Jer.31:33 at Heb.8:10 and 10:16).

Again, that SAME AUTHOR tells us that the shadow-function of Torah CONTINUES (PRESENT tense in Heb. 10:1).

Again, Moses promises that 100% of ALL Torah (thus including Levitical sacrifices!) will be obeyed in the future (Dt. 30:1-8).

Again, Jesus comes to RESTORE those very Levitical sacrifices "as in the days of old, as in former years" (Mal.3:4), so they are OBVIOUSLY not put away for EVERY purpose.

Again, this very verse upholds GOD who commands TORAH (Dt.1:3;5:27-33).....so OBVIOUSLY it's not going to oppose obedience to that very God!

 

"I am stuck with Jesus alone, not Moses."

Bummer....JESUS is stuck with all the Torah of MOSES (Mt.5:19) for YOU (Mt.28:19-20)

lest you want to be least (Mt.5:19)

or worse (Mt.5:20)

or worse (Mt.7:21-23)

or worse (Mt.13:41-42).

 

But hey....I've warned you plenty of times now.....

 

blessings...

 

 

 

[BibleGuy]

3 hours ago, KJVOnly said:

Good thing you guys are around to correct Paul.

"Actual Law, Paul"?

"Be specific, Paul"

Hey, I had a Hebrew Roots friend admit to me that Paul was wrong.

"Good thing you guys are around to correct Paul."

Don't be silly.

ALL Pauline Scripture is true.

 

Paul applies TORAH (Dt.30:14) to YOU (Dt. 30:14 cited at Rom.10:8).

So OBEY it!

 

"Hey, I had a Hebrew Roots friend admit to me that Paul was wrong."

Paul is not wrong.

Paul has apostolic authority.

So IMITATE Paul (1Cor.11:1;Php.4:9) who "walks orderly according to the law" (Ac. 21:24) because we who do the law will be justified (Rom.2:13), as we walk in works (Eph.2:10) and faith (Rom.5:1).

 

blessings...

[BibleGuy]

3 hours ago, KJVOnly said:

So you are saying Paul said "Law" but meant something else?

What about Jesus?

Did he do the same thing as Paul?

Could maybe, just maybe, both Paul and Jesus be right and the "Torah" inventer that made 34 O.T. books not Law, be wrong?

....maybe?

"So you are saying Paul said "Law" but meant something else?"

Of course not.  Paul said what he meant.  Paul meant what he said.

But that doesn't mean a particular term in a language ONLY AND ALWAYS has the same identical meaning.

 

"What about Jesus?  Did he do the same thing as Paul? "

Yes, they both used language.

And language includes WORDS which have MEANINGS....and some words have more than one meaning, depending upon contextual usage.

That's just the nature of language.

 

"Could maybe, just maybe, both Paul and Jesus be right and the "Torah" inventer that made 34 O.T. books not Law, be wrong?"

Say what?

What's a "Torah inventer"?

TORAH is straight out of the Hebrew Bible.

Strong's Number H8451 matches the Hebrew תּוֹרָה (towrah),
which occurs 220 times in 214 verses in the Hebrew concordance of the NASB

Torah is not an invention!

And why are you worried about whether EVERY OT book is "law" or not?  It's not a significant concern.

ALL Scripture applies to you (2Ti.3:16)....whether you want to call every last book "law" or not....whatever....it still applies!

 

blessings...

[BibleGuy]

3 hours ago, KJVOnly said:

Hey, why don't you and I make up a "little law/Big Law" doctrine?

Oh, you already did?

Rats.

JESUS said some laws are greater than others (Mt.23:23).

And if you disobey even the LEAST, and if you teach others to likewise disobey, then you're at risk of being LEAST in the forthcoming kingdom (Mt.5:19).

That's ANOTHER really good reason to obey!

blessings...