King James Onlyism supported

[Justin Adams]

Jeremiah One. The Word touched my lips...

Some words we have as scripture are just that; 'some' words. Do you think you can contain the Lord God Almighty in a book? John says that were the deeds of Christ ALL written, the very world could not contain them.

The WORD is the Lord. He is not controlled and restricted to a few scriptures on a page.

The ones we have are reasonably sufficient for the purpose God intended. Do not make the mistake of thinking mere words can contain the unrestrained and untamed Lord God. That is so foolish. God is so much more that a few lines of scripture.

[Jaydog1976]

10 hours ago, WBO said:

Psalm 12:6-7 King James Version (KJV)

⁶ The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.

⁷ Thou shalt keep them, O Lord, thou shalt PRESERVE them from this generation FOR EVER.

 

God’s word is pure to perfection. And According to this Scripture it is God’s job to preserve His Word forever. I can respect if you don’t think the KJV is the perfect Bible. But Just know that there is a Perfect Bible. 

Classic KJV only verse selection to somehow prove that the KJV is absolutely perfect. This verse has nothing to do with a translation. With KJV onlyism the translation is the focal point. Most KJV only supporters use the translation to interpret the Greek instead of actually translating the Greek and then seeing if the KJV matches the correct translation. The whole view is completely backwards. 

[Jaydog1976]

10 hours ago, Cletus said:

you wont find that as someone who has really studied knows the truth... the NIV has hundreds of omissions.  ones with significant spiritual meaning.  some verses are taken out all together.  MIA.  The NIV is a watered down version. 

There is a major issue with this statement. Remember that there are two different Greek manuscripts. The NIV comes from the Westcott and Hort text and the KJV comes from the Textus Receptus. The issue is that one cannot say that the NIV has errors because you can't compare just between two manuscripts. How can one, without a shadow of a doubt, say that one greek text is more correct than the other without actually going to the original writers and seeing what they wrote. The only way that one can be sure one is more correct than the other is to find a 3rd greek manuscript that leans more towards one than the other. But one does not exists. 

The NIV is not actually a translation. It is a transliteration (Transliteration gives the word from a different language in letters that you can understand so as to be able to pronounce it). What this whole KJV only discussion comes down to is preference. However the KJV only group will deny that it is actually a preference. I was saved using the NIV I use the NIV in church and will defend my faith using the NIV. The KJV is a good translation just not the only good one out there. If we want to get really nit-picky I think the NASB is way better than the NIV and the KJV.

10 hours ago, Cletus said:

i encourage people to study this for themselves.  like those more noble than those in Thessalonica.

I have thus my response. 

[LadyKay]

22 hours ago, Neighbor said:

All need to read from the KJV just as Paul did, and as Jesus quoted from when He spoke.

 

Is this sarcasm?

 

I don't know if I am miss reading what you said here but are you saying that Paul read from the King James Bible? And that Jesus did as well? Cause the King James Bible had not been written at that time.  

 

Edited December 12, 2019 by LadyKay

[Neighbor]

1 minute ago, LadyKay said:

I don't know if I am miss reading what you said here but are you saying that Paul read from the King James Bible? And that Jesus did as well? Cause the King James Bible had not been written at that time.  

What had been written? What is the Bible Jesus read from, studied and quoted when He spoke?

[LadyKay]

1 minute ago, Neighbor said:

What had been written? What is the Bible Jesus read from, studied and quoted when He spoke?

Well it wasn't the KIng James because it had not been written yet.  I believe that Jesus would have quoted from the  Torah.   The first KJV of the Bible was in 1604, and completed and  published in 1611.  Must later then the time Jesus and Paul walked upon the Earth. 

[LadyKay]

Well anywho, I like the Holman Student Bible. It is written in such a way that is easy for me to understand. With study helps and stuff. 

[Neighbor]

1 hour ago, LadyKay said:

is this sarcasm?

 

I like to think of it as humor, humor with a point that can be developed by the reader, one not needing me to beat it in to anyone.

Obviously the Bible Jesus learned, lived,  and quoted from as He spoke was not the King James was it? It was more than the Torah  the first five books of the Old Testament or Pentateuch originally just one book, all written by Moses. For Jesus quoted the prophets, and knew his lineage accounts, He quoted Psalms too.

When Paul wrote letters to the churches of Jesus He did not write in King Jesus English either. Nor is the record of the four witnesses coming in King James era English language.  

Many of today's transliterations are the work of Wycliff Bible translators. They are pretty well educated missionaries specializing in language, going into much of the world,  learning  details of regional languages and transliterating much  of the gospel in writings used locally for  the people of the region so that they may  read the saving word of Grace for themselves then raise up local churches and spread the word the gospel of Jesus.

To think that God the Holy Spirit only abounds in King James English is,...  well sorry but it is just a bit preposterous, a  silliness. 

God the Holy Spirit intercedes for me in groanings not understood by me; and I can read King James. So does the Holy Spirit only speak Groaning?

If there is to be a correct language  to learn for eternity forward I suspect it is not even Greek, that it is instead Hebrew. And not King James Hebrew ( Yes that is humor, or if you wish it is sarcasm hoping to become wit).

 

[dhchristian]

I Am going to put my two cents in here, for the sake of __________________(fill in the blank)

The People who are not KJV only need to listen to some of the criticisms of the KJV only crowd, as there is some validity to their points being made, and that being a deliberate attempt on the part of SOME to corrupt the Word of God. For example, the NWT quoted in the original post is the work of the JW's founder Mr. Russel, who barely knew Greek and did not know Hebrew. Others such as Hort and Wescott deliberately hated the KJV and set to change the proofs for the Deity of Christ. And still others use the Codex Sinaiaticus, which is a supposed forgery.

That Being said, the Lord can and does use whatever version is available. For example I have known of a person who was about to commit suicide who got hold of a Gideons placed NIV in a Hotel room and it changed their lives. The Holy Ghost will show you what the Word of God intends and means in the lives of the People irregardless of the attempts to corrupt the Word of God, And those versions that are more deliberately trying to corrupt the message of the Word of God will not be received well. But even the KJV with its history of success has passages that hold a bias in them. The KJV as the title suggests is written from a bias of a monarchical system of government and the bias shows in the translation. Some of the Modern politically correct translations also have errors that highlight SJW perspectives, and socialist biases. So We need acknowledge and understand those biases, deliberate or unintentional.

We need to be aware of all of these things. I am not KJV only, But I do say it is the best translation out there. It does not leave verses out of it, like the ASV or RSV do, Nor does it footnote verses such as the NIV and ESV do that creates doubt as to the meaning of the Text. The Argument of the Old English to me is a weak one, as no one is arguing for a re translation of Shakespeare which uses the same Old English, It Just is written that way and let's let it be that way. If this is Problematic get a New version of it, an NKJV Or something along those lines.

The KJV only crowd needs to listen to the voices against them as well. Some of You are becoming nothing more than a cult of KJV onlyism. To the Point that condemnation comes against anyone preaching from another version in their sermons. In Doing so you are condemning many brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus. You say the Holy Spirit has protected the Word of God, do you Trust that He will continue to do s0? 

This is a worthy topic of discussion, if you let it be instead of coming and making it a topic of contention.  

[LadyKay]

1 hour ago, Neighbor said:

I like to think of it as humor, humor with a point that can be developed by the reader, one not needing me to beat it in to anyone.

Obviously the Bible Jesus learned, lived,  and quoted from as He spoke was not the King James was it? It was more than the Torah  the first five books of the Old Testament or Pentateuch originally just one book, all written by Moses. For Jesus quoted the prophets, and knew his lineage accounts, He quoted Psalms too.

When Paul wrote letters to the churches of Jesus He did not write in King Jesus English either. Nor is the record of the four witnesses coming in King James era English language.  

Many of today's transliterations are the work of Wycliff Bible translators. They are pretty well educated missionaries specializing in language, going into much of the world,  learning  details of regional languages and transliterating much  of the gospel in writings used locally for  the people of the region so that they may  read the saving word of Grace for themselves then raise up local churches and spread the word the gospel of Jesus.

To think that God the Holy Spirit only abounds in King James English is,...  well sorry but it is just a bit preposterous, a  silliness. 

God the Holy Spirit intercedes for me in groanings not understood by me; and I can read King James. So does the Holy Spirit only speak Groaning?

If there is to be a correct language  to learn for eternity forward I suspect it is not even Greek, that it is instead Hebrew. And not King James Hebrew ( Yes that is humor, or if you wish it is sarcasm hoping to become wit).

 

Well I'm glad we cleared that all up.?