BIG ERRORS: The Bride.

[Marilyn C]

Big Errors: The Bride.
 

I believe that many people have been wrongly taught that the Body of Christ is also the `Bride` of Christ. I personally find this very strange that men especially would believe this - men becoming a bride/female, when we are saying that people of transgender are against God`s ways. `Men, come to Jesus and be His bride!` That is quite wrong!

There is NO scripture that tells us that the Body of Christ is also the Bride of Christ. No Scripture. People say, `It means purity.`  We can say purity but NOT that men have to be female, a bride, especially in this season of LGTB.

There are 2 scriptures that people use to wrongly make this doctrine.

1.Eph. 5: 25 - 33. This scripture is after 4 chapters where the apostle Paul has laid out the doctrine of the Body of Christ, the New MAN. Then in chapter 5 Paul starts to exhort children, wives and husbands. He encourages the husbands to love their wives as Christ does His BODY.  It is an exhortation.

2.In 2 Cor. 11: 1 - 3 the Apostle Paul is speaking specifically to his disciples in Corinth and saying that he wants to present them to the Lord, in purity, like a virgin. This is just a symbol, and just for his disciples. Paul does NOT present us to the Lord for it is the Lord Himself who will present us. (Jude 24)

 

So who is the `Bride?`

God`s word tells us that Israel is the Bride.

`For your husband is your Maker, whose name is the Lord of hosts…for the Lord has called you like a wife forsaken….` (Isa. 54: 5 & 6)

`I will betroth you to Me forever; yes, I will betroth you to Me in righteousness and justice, in loving kindness and mercy; I will betroth you to Me in faithfulness, and you shall know the Lord.` (Hosea 3: 19 & 20)

 

Why is it important? There are different inheritances for Israel, (the Bride) and the Body of Christ, (the New Man).

`Let no one cheat you or your reward……and not holding fast to the Head, from whom the BODY, nourished and knit together by joints and ligaments, grows with the increase that is from God.` (Col. 2: 18 & 19)

 

Marilyn.

 

[Marilyn C]

Speaking to Israel God says -
 

`For your Maker is your husband the LORD of hosts is His name…` (Isa. 54: 5)

Husband - Hebrew word `ba`al,` meaning a master, husband, (fig) owner .

We know that God is the owner, master of Israel. When they were unfaithful God `divorced` them, signifying that they were unfaithful to Him and had gone after other gods. (Jer. 3: 8) Finally we know that God will `marry` His unfaithful `wife` when the Lord connects again with them.

`Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife has made herself ready.` (Rev. 19: 7)

[Mal'ak]

Matthew 13:10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?

Matthew 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

 

The first thing we need to understand, is that the Bible is filled with parables and symbolic language.  As Marilyn Suggested, the virgins to a husband is symbolic of a purity, even if she does not believe that is the reason.  But her logic fails here, as Dustyroad points out, Israel is filled with men so them being a bride but Christians are not because there are male Christians makes no sense (Israel was a guy, who was the father of the Hebrew people).

 

Romans 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

Romans 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

Romans 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

 

As Marilyn pointed out, flesh Israel was divorced by God, that is why when Jesus came he created the new convenient between the Father and humans called Christianity.  By receiving Jesus Christ as our Savior we have "received the Spirit of adoption...that we are the children of God: And if children, then heirs".  The reason we are told in Romans that the first convenient failed, was because it was based on the flesh with a flesh people and flesh laws, but flesh is evil and can not ever be Holy in God's eyes.  So here it shows that "Israel" and "Body of Christ" are the same, since the Body of Christ was adopted as spiritual Israel.

 

Matthew 25:1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.

Matthew 25:2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.

Matthew 25:10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.

 

As we see from Jesus Christ himself, he compares the "Kingdom of Heaven" to "ten virgins".  There will be some foolish Christians that are not prepared for when they meet Jesus at his return or when they die and their souls stand before God, then there will the wise Christians that follow the Word of God and are prepared for when they meet Jesus. But even Jesus refers to himself as the "bridegroom", while eternity as the "marriage" between Christians and Jesus Christ.

 

1 Corinthians 1:3 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.

1 Corinthians 1:2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.

1 Corinthians 1:3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

 

The problem is that we many times let our flesh minds control our growth as Christians, then we get ideas of "men being a bride is transgender or homosexual", but missing the point that the Word of God is spiritual. That is why the Bible is filled with "milk" or "carnal"/flesh parables and imagery.  Again as Jesus stated in Matthew 13, it is not meant for anyone to pick up the Bible and see spiritual things, and also for the babes in Christ who are still learning they can not handle or bare picking up the Bible and reading spiritual "meat".  We get to understand the "meat" of the Word when we grow spiritually and the Holy Spirit teaches us, not by one verse but by understanding the entire Bible so we can pull pieces from dozens of verses together to complete a bigger picture of God's plan. 

 

 

 

 

[missmuffet]

7 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Big Errors: The Bride.
 

I believe that many people have been wrongly taught that the Body of Christ is also the `Bride` of Christ. I personally find this very strange that men especially would believe this - men becoming a bride/female, when we are saying that people of transgender are against God`s ways. `Men, come to Jesus and be His bride!` That is quite wrong!

There is NO scripture that tells us that the Body of Christ is also the Bride of Christ. No Scripture. People say, `It means purity.`  We can say purity but NOT that men have to be female, a bride, especially in this season of LGTB.

There are 2 scriptures that people use to wrongly make this doctrine.

1.Eph. 5: 25 - 33. This scripture is after 4 chapters where the apostle Paul has laid out the doctrine of the Body of Christ, the New MAN. Then in chapter 5 Paul starts to exhort children, wives and husbands. He encourages the husbands to love their wives as Christ does His BODY.  It is an exhortation.

2.In 2 Cor. 11: 1 - 3 the Apostle Paul is speaking specifically to his disciples in Corinth and saying that he wants to present them to the Lord, in purity, like a virgin. This is just a symbol, and just for his disciples. Paul does NOT present us to the Lord for it is the Lord Himself who will present us. (Jude 24)

 

So who is the `Bride?`

God`s word tells us that Israel is the Bride.

`For your husband is your Maker, whose name is the Lord of hosts…for the Lord has called you like a wife forsaken….` (Isa. 54: 5 & 6)

`I will betroth you to Me forever; yes, I will betroth you to Me in righteousness and justice, in loving kindness and mercy; I will betroth you to Me in faithfulness, and you shall know the Lord.` (Hosea 3: 19 & 20)

 

Why is it important? There are different inheritances for Israel, (the Bride) and the Body of Christ, (the New Man).

`Let no one cheat you or your reward……and not holding fast to the Head, from whom the BODY, nourished and knit together by joints and ligaments, grows with the increase that is from God.` (Col. 2: 18 & 19)

 

Marilyn.

 

You are wrong on this Marilyn.

Question: "What does it mean that the church is the bride of Christ?"

Answer: The imagery and symbolism of marriage is applied to Christ and the body of believers known as the church. The church is comprised of those who have trusted in Jesus Christ as their personal Savior and have received eternal life. Christ, the Bridegroom, has sacrificially and lovingly chosen the church to be His bride (Ephesians 5:25–27). Just as there was a betrothal period in biblical times during which the bride and groom were separated until the wedding, so is the bride of Christ separate from her Bridegroom during the church age. Her responsibility during the betrothal period is to be faithful to Him (2 Corinthians 11:2; Ephesians 5:24). At the rapture, the church will be united with the Bridegroom and the official “wedding ceremony” will take place and, with it, the eternal union of Christ and His bride will be actualized (Revelation 19:7–9; 21:1-2).
In the eternal state, believers will have access to the heavenly city known as New Jerusalem, also called “the holy city” in Revelation 21:2 and 10. The New Jerusalem is not the church, but it takes on some of the church’s characteristics. In his vision of the end of the age, the apostle John sees the city coming down from heaven adorned “as a bride,” meaning that the city will be gloriously radiant and the inhabitants of the city, the redeemed of the Lord, will be holy and pure, wearing white garments of holiness and righteousness. Some have misinterpreted verse 9 to mean the holy city is the bride of Christ, but that cannot be because Christ died for His people, not for a city. The city is called the bride because it encompasses all who are the bride, just as all the students of a school are sometimes called “the school.”

Believers in Jesus Christ are the bride of Christ, and we wait with great anticipation for the day when we will be united with our Bridegroom. Until then, we remain faithful to Him and say with all the redeemed of the Lord, “Come, Lord Jesus!” (Revelation 22:20).

https://www.gotquestions.org/bride-of-Christ.html

Edited December 17, 2019 by missmuffet

[Marilyn C]

14 hours ago, missmuffet said:

You are wrong on this Marilyn.

 

 

Hi mm,

When you discuss with me then I can discuss with you. No good downloading other peoples opinions.

[Marilyn C]

15 hours ago, DustyRoad said:

Hello @Marilyn C. This isn't a topic I've studied so hopefully you'll understand where I'm coming from regarding my observations of what you wrote. 

As you wrote, the Bride can't be the Church because men are in it. Israel is the Bride instead, right? So, how does this solve the dilemma of men becoming brides when fleshly Israel contains men just like the Church does? Not only that but Israel was also the name which God gave to Jacob, who most assuredly was a man? Thanks for answering this. 

Hi DustyRoad,

Good question.

Speaking to Israel God says -

`For your Maker is your husband the LORD of hosts is His name…` (Isa. 54: 5)

Husband - Hebrew word `ba`al,` meaning a master, husband, (fig) owner .

We know that God is the owner, master of Israel. When they were unfaithful God `divorced` them, signifying that they were unfaithful to Him and had gone after other gods. (Jer. 3: 8) Finally we know that God will `marry` His unfaithful `wife` when the Lord connects again with them.

`Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife has made herself ready.` (Rev. 19: 7)

 

In our culture we think romantically of a bride, whereas when God is speaking to Israel God is referring to His ownership of them and for them to faithfully serve Him. That is quite a different concept than what we think when we use the word `bride.`

Hope that helps as you study this topic. Marilyn.

[Marilyn C]

15 hours ago, Mal'ak said:

Matthew 13:10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?

Matthew 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

 

The first thing we need to understand, is that the Bible is filled with parables and symbolic language.  As Marilyn Suggested, the virgins to a husband is symbolic of a purity, even if she does not believe that is the reason.  But her logic fails here, as Dustyroad points out, Israel is filled with men so them being a bride but Christians are not because there are male Christians makes no sense (Israel was a guy, who was the father of the Hebrew people).

 

Romans 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

Romans 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

Romans 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

 

As Marilyn pointed out, flesh Israel was divorced by God, that is why when Jesus came he created the new convenient between the Father and humans called Christianity.  By receiving Jesus Christ as our Savior we have "received the Spirit of adoption...that we are the children of God: And if children, then heirs".  The reason we are told in Romans that the first convenient failed, was because it was based on the flesh with a flesh people and flesh laws, but flesh is evil and can not ever be Holy in God's eyes.  So here it shows that "Israel" and "Body of Christ" are the same, since the Body of Christ was adopted as spiritual Israel.

 

Matthew 25:1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.

Matthew 25:2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.

Matthew 25:10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.

 

As we see from Jesus Christ himself, he compares the "Kingdom of Heaven" to "ten virgins".  There will be some foolish Christians that are not prepared for when they meet Jesus at his return or when they die and their souls stand before God, then there will the wise Christians that follow the Word of God and are prepared for when they meet Jesus. But even Jesus refers to himself as the "bridegroom", while eternity as the "marriage" between Christians and Jesus Christ.

 

1 Corinthians 1:3 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.

1 Corinthians 1:2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.

1 Corinthians 1:3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

 

The problem is that we many times let our flesh minds control our growth as Christians, then we get ideas of "men being a bride is transgender or homosexual", but missing the point that the Word of God is spiritual. That is why the Bible is filled with "milk" or "carnal"/flesh parables and imagery.  Again as Jesus stated in Matthew 13, it is not meant for anyone to pick up the Bible and see spiritual things, and also for the babes in Christ who are still learning they can not handle or bare picking up the Bible and reading spiritual "meat".  We get to understand the "meat" of the Word when we grow spiritually and the Holy Spirit teaches us, not by one verse but by understanding the entire Bible so we can pull pieces from dozens of verses together to complete a bigger picture of God's plan. 

 

 

 

 

Hi Mal`ak,

Israel and the Body of Christ are not the same. We are different groups with different inheritances in Christ. We are both grafted in to the root, Christ who is holy and nourishes us, (Rom. 11: 16 & 17)

In Matthew 25, when the Lord is speaking of the marriage supper, we see that it will be ON the earth, when the Lord will again connect (marry) with Israel, the `wife.`  It is a revelation that was known, whereas the Body of Christ revelation was not known at that time.

regards, Marilyn.

 

 

[missmuffet]

9 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi mm,

When you discuss with me then I can discuss with you. No good downloading other peoples opinions.

It is a reputable ministry that teaches the true word of God. I would rather post their Christian doctrine than see false teaching. 

[Marilyn C]

22 hours ago, missmuffet said:

It is a reputable ministry that teaches the true word of God. I would rather post their Christian doctrine than see false teaching. 

Hi mm,

We are here to discuss with each other. No one can talk to `Mr Got` as he is not here. I encourage you to do some homework as the Lord says -

`Be diligent to present yourself approved of God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.` (2 Tim. 2: 15)

Marilyn.

[missmuffet]

2 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi mm,

We are here to discuss with each other. No one can talk to `Mr Got` as he is not here. I encourage you to do some homework as the Lord says -

`Be diligent to present yourself approved of God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.` (2 Tim. 2: 15)

Marilyn.

I have done my homework and research and I do not support your theology.