Two Groups of People

[JustPassingThru]

8 minutes ago, Margo1945 said:

try listening for a change ..

Please, ...just answer the question...   

[JustPassingThru]

1 minute ago, Margo1945 said:

John 14:16 - 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another [a]Helper, that He may abide with you forever—

the Helper is the Holy Spirit and the Father will give Him and He will abide with you and me and others forever IF we abide with Him forever 

The highlighted part of what you have written is not in the "original" text, ...it's something "you" have added to the text, ...the Word according to Margo...

Please, ...just answer the question as Jesus "stated" the verse...

 

[Alive]

Our ways are not His ways, Margo.

Please consider this.

[JustPassingThru]

12 minutes ago, Margo1945 said:

ohhhhhhhhhhhh stop with this nonsense

12 minutes ago, Margo1945 said:

 

So, ...again, ...you cannot answer the question, ..."without" adding your words to Holy Scripture...

Okay, I'll take your advice and stop banging my head on the wall...

 

 

 

Edited December 26, 2019 by JustPassingThru

[Alive]

1 minute ago, Margo1945 said:

and please consider the obvious .. the relationship between God and me only works IF we both do our due diligence .. God will always do His but if I don't do my mine, I break the relationship and God will allow me to do so as He will NEVER force me to come to Him and will NEVER force me to stay with Him .. He will NEVER abandon me but I may abandon Him and never return .. the relationship will then be over due to my sinful unrepentant error .. 

You go further than this Margo. You say that our Lord will 'kill' one of His sons.

[Alive]

2 minutes ago, JustPassingThru said:

So, ...again, ...you cannot answer the question, ..."without" adding your words to Holy Scripture...

Okay, I'll take your advice and stop banging my head on the wall...

 

 

 

Several of us have tried to 'reason' with Margo.

[Alive]

8 minutes ago, Margo1945 said:

now that is utter garbage .. I have said nothing of the sort and you are showing how desperate you are to avoid the truth by saying such a thing .. show me when and where I ever said such a stupid thing .. I shall check for it when I get home .. I can't believe how desperate you and some others have become .. are you sure you are saved .. I wonder -seriously wonder 

Margo--this is exactly what you are saying. We are born from above by the will and power of the Father 'In Christ' Jesus. We cannot make this happen. It is a change of nature. God takes us out of the first Adam and places us in the Second Adam, who is Christ. We thus become a member of a New race.

Just as a baby is born in the earthly manner, God births us in a heavenly manner. We become a New Creature.

Do you understand this. It is very clear in scripture. Jesus taught this and Paul taught this. Born from above. Born. A New Life.

You are saying that God will kill that New Life. That New born son--that He Himself birthed.

Do you grasp this?

This is far more than the shallow relationship that you talk about. It is a New Creation. A Divine Creation. I as a Born from Above son cannot 'unborn' myself--this is contrary to all of scripture from Gen 1 forward.

This only leaves the craziness 'according to you' that God will kill me.

Do you understand?

Edited December 26, 2019 by Alive

[Alive]

I discussed this before and in a Thread I titled 'A Problem Solved'--right back from the very beginning of Adam and Eve.

This is about 'after its kind'. A fundamental Truth that transcends any natural understanding of man.

The Cross of our Lord Jesus Christ accomplished far more than you can understand--but some of it can be understood and folks are trying to teach you this and point out your error.

Our ways and our sensibilities are not His. His ways are as far about ours as heaven is above the earth. You go too far in equating earthly relationships with God and His 'chosen' and manifested relationship with His sons 'In Christ'. He proved it to us by the sending and the 'sealing' of the Holy Spirit.

These things are important and have eternal meaning and consequence.

[Coliseum]

55 minutes ago, JustPassingThru said:

1 hour ago, Margo1945 said:

John 14:16 - 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another [a]Helper, that He may abide with you forever—

the Helper is the Holy Spirit and the Father will give Him and He will abide with you and me and others forever IF we abide with Him forever 

The highlighted part of what you have written is not in the "original" text, ...it's something "you" have added to the text, ...the Word according to Margo...

Please, ...just answer the question as Jesus "stated" the verse...

I wonder if someone brand new to the Word of God, who read what she wrote---would know the difference between what she typed and the verse actually written in the Bible? Since none of it is quoted, one wouldn't know simply to see it say, John 14:16 - 16. Of course instantly checking to see if it is the actual verse would make one wonder what she was saying---because everything she typed isn't there! There is no effort on her part to make the Scripture verse distinct from her own addition. This leads me to wonder about whether someone wanted to be accurate, or simply needing to promote an agenda. Just some thoughts here.

[Alive]

1 minute ago, Margo1945 said:

okay, I can't resist responding to this false accusation .. I have never said and never will say that God will kill us .. we kill ourselves by leaving Him and turning to unrepentant sinfulness .. all in the lake of fire are there because of their own doing, not God's .. God saved us but some of us throw away His gift of life and turn to unrepented sinfulness which can only lead to death .. God does not kill us, we kill ourselves .. now, don't ever insult me again, with such a lie as you have told here .. I never ever said and never will say that God kills us .. we kill ourselves .. GET IT

Margo—please read what I wrote carefully. Try for a moment to slow your roll and take a deep breath and read slowly and carefully. After doing so—please respond to those things.

Read the last two of my posts and go to ‘A Problem Solved’ and read it carefully. 

Please. This is important. You are putting far too much stock and faith in your own efforts and as a result, less in the Grace of God. Don’t get mad—-just open your heart and mind.

Please.