The Holy Sabbath Day

[Guest Zayit]

Excellent responses Brothers!

No need for ANY "of our own" input- rather the Bible is beautifully speaking for itself.

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Sirsilius, are you also a SDA?

[M45510G1C]

but don't go around pretending that you are the seed of Abraham because you learned how to say Shalom last week.

Gal. 3:29

If you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed and heirs according to promise. (WEB)

And if ye are Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, heirs according to promise. (ASV)

And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed, and yours is the heritage by the right of God's undertaking given to Abraham. (BBE)

but if ye are of Christ, then ye are Abraham's seed, heirs according to promise. (DBY)

And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. (KJV)

And if ye are Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. (WBS)

And if you belong to Christ, then you are indeed true descendants of Abraham, and are heirs in fulfilment of the promise. (WEY)

and if ye 'are' of Christ then of Abraham ye are seed, and according to promise -- heirs. (YLT)

[Sirsilius]

Zayit:

No. I don't belong to any specific Group(s)- but consider myself a Brethren (in Spirit) to ANY group "adhereing" to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Yes, to MY God.

Edited July 14, 2005 by Sirsilius

[apothanein kerdos]

"we" is the people on this topic that have been arguing against the Sabbath only being on Friday evening to Saturday evening. That is a Jewish custom and not a Biblical fact.

Super Jew HaShem set forth a perpetual law for our people:

Ex 31:16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.

Do you not consider yourself a part of Israel any more?

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7th day according ot which calendar Zayit?

What about those of us who don't believe in a literal 7 day creation? Kind of puts a hamper on which day eh?

[Guest Zayit]

Zayit:

No. I don't belong to any specific Group(s)- but consider myself a Brethren (in Spirit) to ANY group "adhereing" to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Yes, to MY God.

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Thanks for your honest reply, I hope I don't sound too forward but I have been lumped in with too many Sabbath debates with SDA's and was trying to avoid that here.

[Guest Zayit]

"we" is the people on this topic that have been arguing against the Sabbath only being on Friday evening to Saturday evening. That is a Jewish custom and not a Biblical fact.

Super Jew HaShem set forth a perpetual law for our people:

Ex 31:16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.

Do you not consider yourself a part of Israel any more?

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7th day according ot which calendar Zayit?

What about those of us who don't believe in a literal 7 day creation? Kind of puts a hamper on which day eh?

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Ok, I won't go down that road, but it has been proven that the seventh day we have today is the same as what Moshe and Israel kept as Shabbat, as well as Yeshua.

I don't understand what you mean by calendar, I don't know of any calendars that aren't made of 7 day weeks? Except the Mayan? Or USSR's? As far as Holy days, I could see a change by which calendar, the Roman , the Rabbinical and the Biblical, all difference in days and months but not how many days in a week.

And as far as I have been able to determine Yom has always meant a 24 hour period except for a few recorded times in Bible, such as in Yahoshua's time and was that King Hezekiah? But that was adding days to his life.

[Guest yod]

What about those of us who don't believe in a literal 7 day creation? Kind of puts a hamper on which day eh?

not really...He repeated it later and established a calendar.

Why do so many Christians feel the need to pretend that they are Jews? You are not Jewish...get it through your head. We are Gentiles. Gentiles...hear that everyone? We are spiritual Jews, yes, but don't go around pretending that you are the seed of Abraham because you learned how to say Shalom last week. We Gentile believers are NOT under the Law. Paul clearly says that. However, Paul simply states that if someone does honour the Sabbath day, to the Lord he does or does not do so. Why make this issue more complex than need be? Saturday, Sunday, who cares? Sorry if that sounds offensive, but God doesn't care about the legalities but the state of the heart.

wow....there are so many misunderstandings based on wrong assumption in that paragraph that it would take years to undo. I don't know where to start...so I'll leave it alone except to say...."wow".

Do you think that God is mad at me because I go to church on Sunday?

No!

As far as I can tell...we are making a distinction between "church day" and "sabbath" (except for possibly the SDAs among us)

They are 2 different things altogether.

Would Saturday make His presence any more real?

would spending a whole day every week resting help you enter and enjoy His presence?

YES!

You will never know until you try though.

If your kid messes up Fathers Day or Mothers Day and gave you your gift a day late or early...are you going to spank him? He made a legal mistake...but his heart was right on the money.

I suppose that would depend on whether he knew it and chose to ignore it.

If I wrote him a letter that repeatedly said, "Hey Son....I want to meet you every Friday night so we can have some time together" but he decided on his own to ignore that and come over on Sunday, well, I'd still love him and receive him but he is technically disobeying my wish.

And that would be an indication of his heart's attitude....not mine.

[apothanein kerdos]

Yom doesn't always mean 24.

As for Sabbath, God is more willing to meet me Friday evening to Saturday evening moreso than any other day?

DO you people not realize the ludicrous nature of what you are saying? And still the argument I laied forth so many posts back is getting ignored.

[Guest yod]

As for Sabbath, God is more willing to meet me Friday evening to Saturday evening moreso than any other day?

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Is God willing to accept my own version of atonement instead of the One He made?

I mean, if He doesn't really care about the date or time then why did HE set it?

DO you people not realize the ludicrous nature of what you are saying? And still the argument I laied forth so many posts back is getting ignored.

do you realize how ludicrous it is to say that we can "correct" God's word or change it to suit us?

So far, I've seen no one lay any burden of tradition on you. I've only seen people who say that

1. The Sabbath was never made void

2. God has the right to set the appointment whenever He wishes

3. We have an obligation to hear and obey God based on gratitude for His mercy

What is the problem with that?

IMO, you are keeping the "spirit" of the law by taking one day a week and setting it aside. In doing so, you AGREE that it is good and lawful to do so.

Our only disagreement then would be which day did God set aside for this...and so far no one has disagreed that He set aside Friday evening to Saturday evening.

All I've heard is "But I want it to be what I've always been told it is and don't tell me it's incorrect"

I couldn't care less if no one else receives the benefit of Shabbat....but let's be intellectually honest.

It's not Sunday....and the truth does matter.

[Guest Zayit]

Yom doesn't always mean 24.

As for Sabbath, God is more willing to meet me Friday evening to Saturday evening moreso than any other day?

DO you people not realize the ludicrous nature of what you are saying? And still the argument I laied forth so many posts back is getting ignored.

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I didn't say it meant 24, I said it meant a 24hour period, Yom Means Day as in the evening and the morning were the first day.

SJ do you believe in appointments? If so , do you believe in keeping them?