Blood Bought 1953 Posted February 4, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 13 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 6,726 Content Per Day: 2.86 Reputation: 6,258 Days Won: 5 Joined: 12/03/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted February 4, 2020 10 hours ago, Tigger56 said: I do believe in the grace received from the life and death and resurrection of my Savior. However, how do I honor him? How do I show love and obedience without the observance of His ways and His law? You stated, " Under the law, it is written that no one can keep it.". I agree that I cannot keep the law perfectly but that doesn't mean that I shouldn't keep it but in grace I find forgiveness when I fail. Without law, what do I need to be forgiven of? For without law there is no sin. Out curiosity which law should be ignored? Commandment one? We should have any god we want and place them before the true God? Commandment two? Can I have idols? Commandment three? I can curse God? Commandment four? I can ignore the Sabbath and worship whenever and however I want? commandment five? I don't have to honor my mother and father? commandment six? I can kill? Commandment seven? I can commit adultery? commandment eight? I can steal? commandment nine? I can bear false witness? commandment ten? I can covet? When people tell me that I do not have to observe the law, that is pretty comprehensive in nature. So which law listed isn't good and should be ignored? these Laws are great.....obey them and God will bless you for it.Disobey these Laws and you will be chastised if you are a Child Of God.....Obedience or the lack thereof , has nothing to do with your Salvation however.....RESTiNG In the Gospel Of 1Cor15:1-4 Will accomplish that.That Plus Nothing.Salvation is a GIFT, based ENTIRELY on the Mercy Of God.It is a gift given to those who do not Work for it.It is for the “ Ungodly”. “The Gifts Of God are Without recall”. Trust God and rest in that Truth. btw.....just for the record....Jesus left us with just Two Commandments.Believe and Love.Concentrate on Those two alone and you will find that everything else will pretty much take care of itself.Love is the Engine that drives all this “ obedience” that people are obsessed with..... Strive to understand this—- “ Love God and live as you please” 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omegaman 3.0 Posted February 5, 2020 Group: Graduated to Heaven Followers: 57 Topic Count: 1,546 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 10,320 Content Per Day: 1.41 Reputation: 12,323 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/15/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/05/1951 Share Posted February 5, 2020 58 minutes ago, Blood Bought 1953 said: btw.....just for the record....Jesus left us with just Two Commandments.Believe and Love.Concentrate on Those two alone and you will find that everything else will pretty much take care of itself.Love is the Engine that drives all this “ obedience” that people are obsessed with..... Sure, but to be fait, love is not disconnected from obedience: John 14:15: Quote English Standard Version “If you love me, you will keep my commandments. Berean Study Bible If you love Me, you will keep My commandments. Berean Literal Bible If you love Me, you will keep My commandments. New American Standard Bible "If you love Me, you will keep My commandments. Quote Strive to understand this—- “ Love God and live as you please” Yes, that is good once one understands that those who love God, do live as they please, because what pleases the true believer, is glorifying and obeying God, living as the child of God that they have become, imitating their Savior! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood Bought 1953 Posted February 5, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 13 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 6,726 Content Per Day: 2.86 Reputation: 6,258 Days Won: 5 Joined: 12/03/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted February 5, 2020 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Omegaman 3.0 said: Sure, but to be fait, love is not disconnected from obedience: John 14:15: I thought that was what I was saying......LOVE for God is what brings about obedience.....If one loves God , they can “ live as they please” because they will be devoted to living a life that pleases God which automatically puts to rest a whole bunch of sinning....Not that it matters one iota for Salvation but the Performance That stems from understanding the Love and Grace of God as a motivating force, will always out do any Performance that is based essentially on the fear of Damnation.....It’s another one of those Christian Paradoxes—- The less I worry about Obedience , the more Obedient I become.....The more that I REST— the more pleasing my live becomes because that allows God to work THROUGH me....He does a better job than I could ever do.Resting in the Gospel Of Grace is everything.Want to improve your “ performance?” Good.The secret is a little less “ trying” and a lot more “ Trusting.” Take a chance ......REST In the Finished Work Of The Cross......see what happens.....you can always go back to your lack of Trust and your fear and your will- Power.God Bless..... Edited February 5, 2020 by Blood Bought 1953 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omegaman 3.0 Posted February 5, 2020 Group: Graduated to Heaven Followers: 57 Topic Count: 1,546 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 10,320 Content Per Day: 1.41 Reputation: 12,323 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/15/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/05/1951 Share Posted February 5, 2020 9 minutes ago, Blood Bought 1953 said: I thought that was what I was saying. I am not saying that it is not what you were saying, but I know people often skim over things, looking for the soundbite. Quote Jesus left us with just Two Commandments.Believe and Love.Concentrate on Those two alone and you will find that everything else will pretty much take care of itself. The above, might be taken as some in a way that would prompt the thought: Wow, that is great! I believe, and I love God, so I have it made. They could be new believers, or older belivers who are still immature in the faith, not growing perhaps, because the have not immersed themselves in study of the Bible. I would venture to say that a perhaps large majority of those who call themselves Christians, are relatively scripturally ignorant. I do not mean to use that term in an insulting way, but I think that is just reality. I am pretty cure that most 'Christians' have not read the Bible once, let alone multiple times. I believe that if a person really has beeb born again, they will have a hunger for God's word. So BB, my reply was not really directed at you, but was made that those would read your post, would understand in no uncertain terms, that boiled down to essence, faith is what is needed, and if you truly have faith obedience will result. If a person has faith that does not result in obedience and repentance, they should question whether they are truly save. What happens after we think we are saved is an indication of whether or not we have been. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood Bought 1953 Posted February 5, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 13 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 6,726 Content Per Day: 2.86 Reputation: 6,258 Days Won: 5 Joined: 12/03/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted February 5, 2020 28 minutes ago, Omegaman 3.0 said: I am not saying that it is not what you were saying, but I know people often skim over things, looking for the soundbite. The above, might be taken as some in a way that would prompt the thought: Wow, that is great! I believe, and I love God, so I have it made. They could be new believers, or older belivers who are still immature in the faith, not growing perhaps, because the have not immersed themselves in study of the Bible. I would venture to say that a perhaps large majority of those who call themselves Christians, are relatively scripturally ignorant. I do not mean to use that term in an insulting way, but I think that is just reality. I am pretty cure that most 'Christians' have not read the Bible once, let alone multiple times. I believe that if a person really has beeb born again, they will have a hunger for God's word. So BB, my reply was not really directed at you, but was made that those would read your post, would understand in no uncertain terms, that boiled down to essence, faith is what is needed, and if you truly have faith obedience will result. If a person has faith that does not result in obedience and repentance, they should question whether they are truly save. What happens after we think we are saved is an indication of whether or not we have been. Wow, that is great! I believe, and I love God, so I have it made. Lol.....I guess the difference between you and I is that I really “ DO” believe such folks “ have it made.” I know that “I” do....... I don’t think we should have to “ protect” the Bible -Ignorant—- and we are certainly in agreement in that regard! J. Vernon McGee taught that the failure to study God's Word was the #1 Problem of the Church ( although he said in reality, it was the #1 SIN of the Church ) There are those that have studied the Bible for many, many years and are unaware of what may be God’s most important Commandment of ALL —- BELIEVE the Gospel Of 1Cor15:1-4 for your Salvation and I hate to say it, but if one is not RESTING in the The Gospel Of Grace — One us not BELIEVING it either! I TRUSTED in .....I had FAITH in.....and I RESTED in the fact as I was driving today that my brakes would stop me every time I came to a red light or stop sign......Faith is just another word for Rest, and if the Bible-Ignorant are unaware Of this Truth— GOD AIN’T ! Ignorant people and those new to the Faith need to get some things settled “ going out the Gate”. It’s too dangerous to wait until a “ proper” time or experience level is attained.The Gospel is NOT ANYTHING we do for God.....It is what GOD HAS DONE FOR MAN! If one has the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit inside them — they are going to BELIEVE the Gospel and they will PROVE it by RESTING in it.It’s all a Revelation given by the Holy Spirit.God says if one does not possess that Holy Spirit That reveals all Truth— you are “ NONE OF HIS”. I think it best that we not worry about “ Bible -Ignorance”— we better get to work FAST in delivering the “ ignorant” into THE LIGHT ..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omegaman 3.0 Posted February 5, 2020 Group: Graduated to Heaven Followers: 57 Topic Count: 1,546 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 10,320 Content Per Day: 1.41 Reputation: 12,323 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/15/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/05/1951 Share Posted February 5, 2020 20 minutes ago, Blood Bought 1953 said: Wow, that is great! I believe, and I love God, so I have it made. Lol.....I guess the difference between you and I is that I really “ DO” believe such folks “ have it made.” I know that “I” do....... Yeah, but I I meant that it is that people will rest in the such that some wiil say: "I have it made, I can be lazy at work and steal from my employer, cheat on my taxes, speed in my car, watch porn and hate my neighbor, etc. and know that I am saved by grace. Gee, thanks God! " Rest (and grace) does not mean we avoid good works, and are free to sin. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willa Posted February 5, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 68 Topic Count: 186 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 14,253 Content Per Day: 3.32 Reputation: 16,670 Days Won: 30 Joined: 08/14/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted February 5, 2020 6 hours ago, DustyRoad said: Jesus Christ, not a book, is our salvation. It's worth repeating again: there is no other name by which we are saved (Acts 4). On the other hand, after 2000 years we would not know that if we didn't have the written Gospel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigger56 Posted February 5, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 679 Topics Per Day: 0.36 Content Count: 1,327 Content Per Day: 0.70 Reputation: 992 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/04/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted February 5, 2020 15 hours ago, Alive said: Pretty sure I said I went to look at some work. Why do you imply that I was trying to overwhelm? Wow! Actually, I wanted to write much much more and kept it short. Very short considering the topic. I am sorry you feel as you do. Please consider that there are other people reading and I am almost always directing toward a larger group than one. God bless you. Alive, I wasn't meaning to be offensive or imply that I had bad feelings in anyway. I enjoy discussions, but truthfully much prefer shorter dissertations as it is easier for me to read and respond to one thing at at time as it can help avoid confusion and not take as much time. That is just my preference, I know many read the posts but the responses were between you and I and I am just indicating my preference. Sorry if I offended and sorry I misunderstood... you are correct you did say you went to look at some work, to me that also implies work much as a contractor that will go look at a roof or a home to present an estimate. It is work but not the actually rolling up of sleeves. But obviously I was mistaken. Anyway may God bless you as well. I know we both have different views but know that both of us love the Lord and seek to please Him in our walk. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alive Posted February 5, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 22 Topic Count: 194 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 11,054 Content Per Day: 6.48 Reputation: 9,018 Days Won: 36 Joined: 09/12/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/09/1956 Share Posted February 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Tigger56 said: Alive, I wasn't meaning to be offensive or imply that I had bad feelings in anyway. I enjoy discussions, but truthfully much prefer shorter dissertations as it is easier for me to read and respond to one thing at at time as it can help avoid confusion and not take as much time. That is just my preference, I know many read the posts but the responses were between you and I and I am just indicating my preference. Sorry if I offended and sorry I misunderstood... you are correct you did say you went to look at some work, to me that also implies work much as a contractor that will go look at a roof or a home to present an estimate. It is work but not the actually rolling up of sleeves. But obviously I was mistaken. Anyway may God bless you as well. I know we both have different views but know that both of us love the Lord and seek to please Him in our walk. Thank you for your gracious response. I am new here. I am new to Christian Forums. It is different than what I am used to. As such, apologetics in this form are also new to me. The one thing that I have become aware of over time here is that some of the discussions that go on are going to be very confusing to those young ones without a foundation and teachers who care about them. Their development should be far more important to any of us that have been around the barn a few times than the soap box points we may want to engage. This is why I have attempted to lay out basic foundational Truths. The most confusing and pervasive of the issues is the one surrounding Law and Grace. The solid understanding of the Cross, Blood, Grace and freedom in Christ that allows for the 'Rest' that the Father desires for His children--is paramount to the spiritual life of a believer. Interjecting commandment keeping into that instruction can easily derail a young one. There is a place for it---but it should come down the road a piece in the discipling of a convert. I suspect there are many new converts peeking in and getting confused. This is where I am coming from. Yes--God will cover them. That is not what is at issue here. God bless. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve morrow Posted February 5, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 1,059 Content Per Day: 0.62 Reputation: 376 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/15/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/07/1955 Share Posted February 5, 2020 (edited) WILL WE BE JUDGED BY GODS WORDS OR MANS HOW ARE YOUR WORKS/WRITINGS DONE PROVERBS 22:20 have not I written to thee excellent things in counsels and knowledge --20:21-- that I might make thee know the certainty of the words of truth that thou mightest answer the words of truth to them that send unto thee PSALM 33:4 for the word of THE LORD is right and all HIS works are done in truth PSALM 106:13 they soon forgat HIS works --THEY WAITED NOT FOR HIS COUNSEL-- JOHN 12:47 and if any man hear MY words and believe not I judge him not for I came not to judge the world but to save the world JOHN 5:34 but I receive not testimony from man but these things I say that you might be saved ******* JOHN 12:48 he that rejecteth ME and receiveth ---NOT MY WORDS--- hath one that judgeth him the word that I have spoken --- THE SAME SHALL JUDGE HIM THE LAST DAY******* MATTHEW 16:27 FOR THE SON OF MAN SHALL COME IN THE GLORY OF HIS FATHER WITH HIS ANGELS AND THEN HE SHALL REWARD EVERY MAN ACCORDING TO HIS WORKS PROVERBS 24:12 if thou sayest behold we knew it not doth not HE that pondereth the heart consider it and he that keepeth thy soul doth not HE know it ---AND SHALL NOT HE RENDER TO EVERY MAN ACCORDING TO HIS WORKS 2 CORINTHIANS 11:14 and no marvel for satan himself is transformed into an angel of light --11:15-- therefore it is no great thing if --his ministers--also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness --WHOSE END SHALL BE ACCORDING TO THEIR WORKS PROVERBS 18:21 death and life are in the power of the tongue and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof MATTHEW 12:36 but I say unto you that every idle word that men shall speak --THEY SHALL GIVE ACCOUNT THEREOF-- in the day of judgement MATTHEW 12:37 FOR BY THY WORDS THOU SHALT BE JUSTIFIED AND BY THY WORDS THOU SHALT BE CONDEMNED LOVING THE LORD JESUS CHRIST Edited February 5, 2020 by steve morrow correction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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