How can you have assurance of salvation ?

[johnthebaptist]

12 minutes ago, kwikphilly said:

Blessings

   Absolutely !The only thing that puzzles me is why you keep saying "when you repent".I think we both agree that when we come to the foot of the cross with a sincere heart & accept (by Faith) that Jesus is our Lord & Savior that is when we are Saved by the Grace of God(because of Jesus Finished work on the cross)...yes?

  Now at that time we ask forgiveness,this is a repentant or contrite heart.....yes?It is the Blood of Jesus that Has Washed away our sin,not our Faith but His Blood,.....yes?

   Now that is (or should be setttled)...yes?

  Now,a carnal mind will give the definition of"repent" as feelings of remorse or sincere regret....yes?

   So that is where I am puzzled & we may believe the exact same thing only it just might be getting lost in translation here,lol

    The Eternal minded Understands that to repent is to turn around,go in another direction(it is an action,a change takes place)....yes?

   So now,are you saying sin has consequences without repentance?In other words you have not changed direction yet you feel remorse?....Well,this is not Salvation BUT,remorse helps (that is a Conviction of the heart)to know right from wrong...Still,wrongdoing is not going to change the fact that you have been Saved by Grace.....agree?

    Does this help in anyway to start this communication to become clearer?I hope so....

   Surely if after we are Saved we have not yet "turned around"Salvation has indeed Saved us from the Eternal consequence of sin although we may pay a price here& now.....agreed?Is this what you have been trying to say?

                                               With love-in Christ,Kwik

When we are born we know nothing. We don't know what sin is. With our sin we make a mess out of our lives, we turn to the Lord when it gets really painful, he straightens out our lives for us, we are grateful, and then life goes on.

But we don't yet know everything there is to know. We still don't fully understand what sin is. Satan continues to tempt us, and he is the most subtle of all creatures God created (Genesis 3:1).

Remember when Satan is freed from prison after a thousand years (Rev 20:7)? I believe that is God's way of saying that we will undergo more difficult temptations sometime in the future.

[johnthebaptist]

12 minutes ago, Billiards Ball said:

Do you keep "what you need to survive" or do you have possessions beyond what you need to survive? For the COMMANDMENT is clear regarding neighbors, and was repeated by Jesus is different ways--"When were you in prison, master, or needed food or clothing"? Sell those golf clubs, that second car, etc. unless you understand that no one fulfills those commandments 24/7 -- therefore, Jesus.

Your faith seems to be in your ability to avoid sin and keep commandments. What is Jesus saving you from? Hint: yourself/myself, praise Jesus!

I live comfortably but I can't waste my money.

What is Jesus saving us from? I believe he is saving us from the messes we make of our lives when we sin.

[Billiards Ball]

Just now, johnthebaptist said:

I live comfortably but I can't waste my money.

What is Jesus saving us from? I believe he is saving us from the messes we make of our lives when we sin.

Why is it "wasting your money" to follow the commandments? You are claiming to follow them fully but are not.

Jesus is not merely saving us from "sin messes" here, since in this world we have trials. He is saving us entirely from this world and from ourselves, to perfect us and bring us to a place where we truly sin no more.

I hope your trust is in Jesus, because your doctrine concerns me. It seems vague and fuzzy on many levels, starting with a non-biblical idea that I'm to obey God's commands but not His precepts, statutes, etc. -- that seems bizarre for a start.

[johnthebaptist]

2 minutes ago, Billiards Ball said:

Why is it "wasting your money" to follow the commandments? You are claiming to follow them fully but are not.

Jesus is not merely saving us from "sin messes" here, since in this world we have trials. He is saving us entirely from this world and from ourselves, to perfect us and bring us to a place where we truly sin no more.

I hope your trust is in Jesus, because your doctrine concerns me. It seems vague and fuzzy on many levels, starting with a non-biblical idea that I'm to obey God's commands but not His precepts, statutes, etc. -- that seems bizarre for a start.

I've made no claim to be fully following the commandments. I don't think any of the commandments say I have to starve to death, though.

[kwikphilly]

25 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said:

When we are born we know nothing. We don't know what sin is. With our sin we make a mess out of our lives, we turn to the Lord when it gets really painful, he straightens out our lives for us, we are grateful, and then life goes on.

But we don't yet know everything there is to know. We still don't fully understand what sin is. Satan continues to tempt us, and he is the most subtle of all creatures God created (Genesis 3:1).

Remember when Satan is freed from prison after a thousand years (Rev 20:7)? I believe that is God's way of saying that we will undergo more difficult temptations sometime in the future.

Wow,I really tried to clarify what exactly it is that you are talking about but now you just made another left turn.....I though if we could agree that we are Saved by the Grace of God then we could figure the rest out & take it from there....guess not

                                                God Bless you    With love in Christ,Kwik

[Billiards Ball]

3 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said:

I've made no claim to be fully following the commandments. I don't think any of the commandments say I have to starve to death, though.

I didn't say you have to starve to death, you said "you have what you need" and I suspect you have much more than "what you need", although frankly, to fully follow the command you'd have to starve to death--one reason I know we're not saved by commandment-keeping.

Like everyone I else I know trying to get into Heaven via works, you have vague, fuzzy doctrine I cannot follow--I'd have to do what you do, not what you say.

Why don't you have the last word, but, please, I urge you, throw your doctrine at the feet of Christ. You seem to rely on your commandment-keeping, which is known as the biblical heresy of legalism--salvation by works, not trust in Jesus Christ. Please be cautious, dear brother!

[johnthebaptist]

1 minute ago, kwikphilly said:

Wow,I really tried to clarify what exactly it is that you are talking about but now you just made another left turn.....I though if we could agree that we are Saved by the Grace of God then we could figure the rest out & take it from there....guess not

                                                God Bless you    With love in Christ,Kwik

If you obey the commandments, you'll be okay, but Satan will always be trying to lead you astray. He loves to lead church-goers astray, especially the leaders. He likes to puff them up with pride.

[johnthebaptist]

1 minute ago, Billiards Ball said:

I didn't say you have to starve to death, you said "you have what you need" and I suspect you have much more than "what you need", although frankly, to fully follow the command you'd have to starve to death--one reason I know we're not saved by commandment-keeping.

Like everyone I else I know trying to get into Heaven via works, you have vague, fuzzy doctrine I cannot follow--I'd have to do what you do, not what you say.

Why don't you have the last word, but, please, I urge you, throw your doctrine at the feet of Christ. You seem to rely on your commandment-keeping, which is known as the biblical heresy of legalism--salvation by works, not trust in Jesus Christ. Please be cautious, dear brother!

We aren't saved by commandment-keeping, but we avoid a ton of trouble if we obey the commandments.

[Behold]

 

1 hour ago, johnthebaptist said:

Yes, people think God is going to let them burn in hell forever over some technicality. They think salvation saves them from that. Would a loving, all-powerful God send you to burn in hell forever over a technicality?

I believe salvation means being saved from the consequences of our sin. Sin brings trouble into our lives. When we repent, God comes in and straightens out the mess we've made. I believe that is salvation.

If God only saved you from a messed up life, due to the consequences of sin, but didnt save you from Hell then the Lake of Fire, would your salvation be worth very much?

I appreciate that you are concerned with getting a life mess resolved, and God helping with that, but, we are only here for a little while, so, whatever mess we get into here, can't be compared to winding up in The Lake of Fire for as long as God lives.  So, thats the part of Salvation, that ETERNAL part, that matters a bit more, in the end.

Edited March 29, 2020 by Behold

[johnthebaptist]

1 hour ago, Behold said:

Ive not lectured you.

Ive just pressed you to try to find out what you believe, because i discovered a few days ago that you have to be asked a few times, the same question, and then you might finally answer it.

 

 

 

 

 

If you just asked the question, I'd try to answer it.