What Law?

[Light Bearer]

9 hours ago, Thess said:

Okay my friend, so I have found that in by limiting this discussion to only the book of Matthew, it's a bit more challenging that I had initially thought. I am studying the Law, but have not isolated a specific teaching to Matthew alone, as of yet. But give me time! Wink

Ok, so give us the answer to the riddle. Looking forward to it!

JTC had a nice answer Thess.

In Matt. 5:14-17 the light Jesus is speaking of means our Godly behavior that Jesus expects us to do in front of the world.

 

Here is the post to him, Forgive me please for not working through it again. But I wanted to save time and at the same time answer you. So it was asked, "what does our Savior tell us about light? What is it and what is it's purpose?"

 

Let's look at the text shall we.

Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid. Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven. Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
(Mat 5:14-21 KJV)

So light and good works are basically synonyms. Or if you will those that are light produce good works that glorify God that men may see..

As was discussed, The Subject of verses 14 through 17 is light. THIS IS A FACT. So with that being said everything in verse 17 is being stated in regards to this light that shines that men may see our good works that God be glorified.

So in relation to this light that shines that men may see our good works that God be glorified Jesus says in verse 17, "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil (manifest, display, exemplify, show). For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled (caused to be)."

So with the light that is to shine that men may see our good works that God be glorified being the subject. Then the Law that is being mentioned is being said in context to that. That means that The good works that shine from the light that God be glorified is of the Law.

 

So what Law Thess?

[Guest Thess]

9 minutes ago, Light Bearer said:

So what Law Thess?

I may be wrong, here, but the context of all of this is found in 5:20. Jesus talks about obtaining Righteousness that is greater than what the teachers of the Law possess. What is this Righteousness? This Righteousness is the Holy Work performed not by the hands of men, but by the Hands of Christ. When Christ performs His Holy Operation on our Stony hearts, we are, at that moment, purified. The veil has been lifted. We have been enabled to do good works directed by God Himself. Having been Indwelt by the Holy Spirit, the One who now leads, guides and directs . . . it will be impossible to lose our saltiness nor will it be possible to keep the Gospel inside of us, not feeling compelled whatsoever to share it with literally everyone around us, including those at church.

A person who is “salty”, a person who is a “light” unto the world, is this way not because of themselves or their own Power or volition, but this is all the enabling work of Christ Himself. The only way to enter the Kingdom of heaven, is by having your heart Circumcised.

[Jer 9:25 NIV] 25 "The days are coming," declares the LORD, "when I will punish all who are circumcised only in the flesh—“

In by being circumcised in the Heart (edited from Flesh - Oops), there is now no need for the Law. When Christ arose from the Grave, He took our Sinful Nature and left it in the grave when He arose. Having arisen with Christ, like Christ, we too are purified. For Jesus took our Curse, having become a Curse for us, and paid the price to have this Sinful Nature removed.

Now having had our Sinful Nature removed, we no longer operate by Pre-Law of Moses, the Laws of Moses or even the Laws that have been written on our hearts. Instead, True Christians will live by, or be operated by, the Laws of the Spirit of Life.

[Rom 8:2 KJV] “For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.”

Edited February 16, 2020 by Thess
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[Light Bearer]

5 minutes ago, BibleStudent100 said:

Please explain, as I am perplexed, as this verse quickly comes to mind: "All scripture is inspired of God and beneficial" (2 Timothy 3:16).  

Amen brother. The point that is being conveyed is you can't, shouldn't or don't have to for the most part, take a text that is unrelated because of context or whatever and apply it to another. Jesus in Matt 5 is being rather specific in respects to what he is trying to convey. So rather than jump around the bible why not just stay in the passage and look at the context, grammar and sentence structure that is there to see what exactly is being revealed. 

[Guest Thess]

7 minutes ago, Light Bearer said:

So rather than jump around the bible why not just stay in the passage and look at the context, grammar and sentence structure that is there to see what exactly is being revealed.

That is difficult to do because Jesus is addressing the Mysterious Plan of His Father. I would say that the entire Bible is focused around becoming the flavor of the earth and how that is accomplished. Therefore, to address what Jesus is saying, it is important to understand how it relates to Eph 2:10-16 and Eph 3:1-13. And these two sets of texts in Ephesians provide us with the context of the entire bible. All things point to this place, and then add it to Col 2:11-15 . . . Bullseye. To become Salty, one must have his heart Circumcised by Christ. And when your heart is Circumcised by Christ, how does it become un-circumcised again? It cannot, for the impurities have been permanently removed . . . a Holy Operation.

Edited February 16, 2020 by Thess

[Yishai]

Leviticus 26:2-4 "Ye shall Keep My Sabbaths, and reverence my sanctuary:I am Yahweh 3. If you walk in my statutes and keep my commandments, and do them; 4. Then I will give you rain in due season"

26:9 "For I will have respect unto you and make you fruitful, and multiply you, and establish my covenant with you. 10. And ye shall eat old store, and BRING FORTH THE OLD BECAUSE OF THE NEW. 12. And I will Walk among you, and will be your Elohim, and ye shall be my people. 13. I am YHWH your Elohim who brought you forth out of the land of Egypty" 14. But if you will not hearken unto Me and will Not do all these commandments: 15. And if ye shall despise my statutes"

Above we see a prophecy about the Messiah, Keeping commands, and the old becoming new in order to revive the old..

Now lets compare this with Mathew 5:17-19...

5:17-19 "Do not think that I Have come to loosen Torah or the prophets, I have not come to loosen but to fulfill. 18. For truly I say to you that not one Yodh or Stroke will pass from Torah until everything happens. 19. All who loosen therefore from one of these small commandments and teach thus to the sons of man, will be called little in the Kingdom of Heaven, but all who do and teach this will be called great in The Kingdom of Heaven"

we also know that in the beginning was the Word, and He said let there be light, and the light was good...this light was not the sun, moon or stars, as they was created on day 4...Perry stone Believes this light to be the Ruach haKodesh (Holy Spirit) 

Edited February 16, 2020 by Yishai

[JTC]

11 minutes ago, Light Bearer said:

So what Law

The Law being referred to are the 10 commandments, in general. Jesus fulfilled the ceremonial parts of the old Mosaic law but He reaffirmed all the moral and behavioral aspects of that  law.

[Yishai]

4 minutes ago, JTC said:

The Law being referred to are the 10 commandments, in general. Jesus fulfilled the ceremonial parts of the old Mosaic law but He reaffirmed all the moral and behavioral aspects of that  law.

The Law is Torah, which is first 5 books of The Bible, and everyone should note one cant Fulfill The Law, and break it, One of the commands is do not add to or take away, So No Laws have ever been taken away, if they had they would be breaking Torah not Fulfilling.

But no1 is saved by Law at all! Faith and grace through Jesus.. and Yes Y'shua(Jesus) has and is performing the cerimonal, and all laws that pretain to the High Preist, but Not even the least command has been taken away, as that would actually be a sin in its self. Do not add to or take away.

[Yishai]

8 minutes ago, maryjayne said:

Why would God yoke us to a law we cannot keep, having sacrificed His Son to complete and fulfil that very law?

Makes no sense.

What does all the old law, in the first 5 books of the Bible, do that Jesus didn't do? What is its function after Jesus death?

 

There is no stress at all, bc we all understand know one is saved by The Law we are not under the first covenant, in which such sins as Adultry, Blasphemy, Murder, Idoltry was UNFORGIVABLE in covenant 1.(making every man worthy of death, and none good not 1, bc as Messiah showed if you have lusted in Heart)..now you can see what a yoke that is!!, willing Obedience to The Most Highs Law is a very light Yoke, under Grace Praise Y'shua!

Edited February 16, 2020 by Yishai

[Light Bearer]

3 hours ago, Thess said:

I may be wrong, here, but the context of all of this is found in 5:20. Jesus talks about obtaining Righteousness that is greater than what the teachers of the Law possess. What is this Righteousness? This Righteousness is the Holy Work performed not by the hands of men, but by the Hands of Christ. When Christ performs His Holy Operation on our Stony hearts, we are, at that moment, purified. The veil has been lifted. We have been enabled to do good works directed by God Himself. Having been Indwelt by the Holy Spirit, the One who now leads, guides and directs . . . it will be impossible to lose our saltiness nor will it be possible to keep the Gospel inside of us, not feeling compelled whatsoever to share it with literally everyone around us, including those at church.

 

Thanks for the reply Thess. 

Let's take a look at Matt 5:20. It starts with the word "for", so that means that what was said before has to be considered.

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
(Mat 5:19-20 KJV)

 

Jesus in verse 19 mentions the commandments. He says this in context to verse 18's mentioning of the law. So it is safe to say that the commandments that Jesus is referring to is of the the Law. These commandments that are of the Law are the Good works that are to shine from us being a light that men may see that God be glorified.

With that is the answer to the question to which you replied. What law? The commandments Thess.

So now I ask, Which?

But before I leave off It would be ill of me not to address something else in respects to Matt5:19,20.

Jesus said, "Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven."
(Mat 5:19-20 KJV)

Jesus says, "Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments".

By His use of the word "these" He is signifying that he is about show what commandments and the ones He is conveying are important, but not as important as some others. This we know by His use of the word "least"

Something else that needs brought to the forefront. 

Jesus says in verse 19, "that those who break the commandments and teach men so shall be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven." And then in verse 20 answers what it means to be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven. How do we know? Because he starts verse 20 with the word "for" Which means that what he is about to say is the reason for what he just said. He says the scribe and pharisees righteousness must be exceeded in context to saying that those who break and teach me to break the commandments shall be called least. In other words the scribes and pharisees were doing this and they and all who break the commandments and teach man so shall not enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. So to be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven means we will not enter into the Kingdom Of Heaven.

 

I have to go now Thess. Will try to address the rest of your post later God willing. You have blessed day in Christ Jesus.

Edited February 16, 2020 by Light Bearer
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[Alive]

1 hour ago, Dennis1209 said:

If you don't mind, I'd like to PM you and ask some more questions on this? Much of what your program contains I have in books and hard copy, and as you know, takes a lot of time to find and retrieve the material, much less copy / paste as a reference source, etc. 

Please do and if you like, I will give you my cell to call and talk.