Eating unclean meats and Christian beliefs

[Amigo42]

1 minute ago, Jostler said:

If that's your conclusion, you didn't get the point at all.  The author of that passage was Mark....Paul had nothing to do with it, notwithstanding your example from Paul had nothing to do with the topic at all, and the fact the Spirit allowed Paul to write that for our benefit would seem to indicate the Spirit thought it was pretty good advice too.

I actually edited my response from before.  Those were of the words of Jesus written by Mark.  

[Yishai]

Yea, Messiah said Himself not even the least command will pass from Torah, and no body ever lifted the dietary Laws, we are not supposed to eat unclean meats, The word Food to a Jew, means what God made Food, The garbage disposals of the earth. Like swine,catfish, shell fish, vultures etc. Are NOT food. 

Whenever you see verses talking about let no one judge you for what you eat or drink, usually talking about pagans judging them, and Gnostics who depraved there body who would say there "Feasting" during the feast was sinful, no one is saying to start eating the Garbage disposals of earth. 

The Bible is flawless from start to finish, our Diet the Father made, sets His people apart from most people on earth with the Knowledge of clean and unclean, and is still Fully active for All His people.

Edited March 3, 2020 by Yishai

[Jostler]

I am sure you would agree that God is the same today, yesterday and tomorrow.  Why did He modify man's diet after the flood, PERMITTING men to eat things He denied the Israelites the right to eat?

 

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Gen 9:1-3

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So God blessed Noah and his sons, and said to them: “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth.

“And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be on every beast of the earth, on every bird of the air, on all that move on the earth, and on all the fish of the sea. They are given into your hand.

“Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. I have given you all things, even as the green herbs.

 

[Alive]

8 minutes ago, Amigo42 said:

I actually edited my response from before.  Those were of the words of Jesus written by Mark.  

You are tying a Gordian knot that the Lord clearly untied.

The scriptures all have posted could not be more clear on this issue.

[Amigo42]

3 minutes ago, Heleadethme said:

The eating of clean and unclean meats is a type and shadow of clean and unclean doctrine. 

People have the coronavirus on their minds and some are blaming the fact that Chinese people eat things that are distasteful to westerners and that happen to be considered unclean under the Law.  We need to have some  mercy for the fact that people learn to eat just about anything that moves or doesn't move when they are poor and starving to death.  Need to remember all those years and centuries they were eating before the coronavirus came along.   It's just the times we are living in....we know from the word of God that pestilences and judgments etc are because the whole world lieth under sin without Christ, and we are in the last days and birth pangs are increasing.

I agree with your point about people finding reasons to blame for the virus and all.  I also understand the symbolism of clean and unclean doctrines, but in the most literal sense it still doesn't negate that God required those who he has set apart to abstain from unclean meats.  this is partly due to the unclean meats representing not just unclean doctrines but sin itself.  For example, pigs are by nature some of the filthiest creatures on the planet, but God decided them to be nature garbage cleaners.  They help keep the environment clean by consuming trash and other refuse.  Pigs not only have diseases in nature like trichinosis and are unhealthy, but they also represent the symbolism of filth and sin.  God doesn't want His people swim in the filth of sin.  He wants better for them, and he wants them to be holy.  So, it more than just a command.

 

In addition, just from a perspective of loving God, why would anyone want to consume a creature that He at one point declared unclean.  It just doesn't make sense from that point of view regardless of whether they can be raised sanitarily on farms now.  It's just the principle.  Why would anyone choose to do something God said not to at some point when they are more clean and healthier opitions.

[Dennis1209]

I agree with the above posts, we're free to eat what we want. However, I think there might be a caveat to consider. From the beginning God provided and said what food was [fruits, vegetables, and grains]. Then it progressed to Noah after the flood:

Genesis 9:3 (KJV) Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.

Then to the "Jewish" law of, cloven / un-cloven, clean and unclean. Noah was before Jacob [Israel], therefore a gentile, so gentiles could eat every moving living thing if they had need of.

Just because we can, should we? Many athletes to promote their health and performance use the term "eating clean". Through modern day scientific knowledge we know the diseases and parasites we can catch from eating pork, flesh and other creatures; as well as proper cooking temperatures and hygiene, refrigeration, and safe canning methods . We know the risks associated with animal fats, cholesterol, heart problems, obesity, digestion problems, etc. As with everything consumed, there's moderation and variety. We know a strict diet of lobster or Big Mac's are not healthy and what it eventually leads to.

Now with all my preceding banter out of the way:

Um, beef, it's what's for dinner 

[Alive]

Col. 2:16   So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, ¹⁷ which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. ¹⁸ Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, ¹⁹ and not holding fast to the Head, from whom all the body, nourished and knit together by joints and ligaments, grows with the increase that is from God.

Col. 2:20   Therefore, if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations— ²¹ “Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle,” ²² which all concern things which perish with the using—according to the commandments and doctrines of men? ²³ These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, false humility, and neglect of the body, but are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh.

Col. 3:1 If then you were raised with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ is, sitting at the right hand of God. ² Set your mind on things above, not on things on the earth. ³ For you died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God. ⁴ When Christ who is our life appears, then you also will appear with Him in glory.

[Yishai]

3 hours ago, Alive said:

Col. 2:16   So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, ¹⁷ which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ

Let no (pagan) judge you....easily confirmed by audience of letter...And of course the entire Bible being without contradiction. 

As Passover lamb was a shadow/prophecy of our Messiahs coming, and the Fall feast are a Shadow of His return, and they all should be kept haha they are rehersals for the Body Of Messiah. 

Edited March 3, 2020 by Yishai

[Amigo42]

25 minutes ago, Dennis1209 said:

I agree with the above posts, we're free to eat what we want. However, I think there might be a caveat to consider. From the beginning God provided and said what food was [fruits, vegetables, and grains]. Then it progressed to Noah after the flood:

Genesis 9:3 (KJV) Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.

Then to the "Jewish" law of, cloven / un-cloven, clean and unclean. Noah was before Jacob [Israel], therefore a gentile, so gentiles could eat every moving living thing if they had need of.

Just because we can, should we? Many athletes to promote their health and performance use the term "eating clean". Through modern day scientific knowledge we know the diseases and parasites we can catch from eating pork, flesh and other creatures; as well as proper cooking temperatures and hygiene, refrigeration, and safe canning methods . We know the risks associated with animal fats, cholesterol, heart problems, obesity, digestion problems, etc. As with everything consumed, there's moderation and variety. We know a strict diet of lobster or Big Mac's are not healthy and what it eventually leads to.

Now with all my preceding banter out of the way:

Um, beef, it's what's for dinner 

You gave some very thoughtful answers in the response.  It is true that even with clean meats, people don't want to overeat due to health related issues, but the problem is exacerbated with unclean meats for the reason you've outlined.  Not sure why anyone sees something that looks like an overgrown roach(lobster) and says "oh that looks so delicious."              

[Coliseum]

1 hour ago, Dennis1209 said:

I agree with the above posts, we're free to eat what we want. However, I think there might be a caveat to consider. From the beginning God provided and said what food was [fruits, vegetables, and grains]. Then it progressed to Noah after the flood:

Genesis 9:3 (KJV) Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.

Then to the "Jewish" law of, cloven / un-cloven, clean and unclean. Noah was before Jacob [Israel], therefore a gentile, so gentiles could eat every moving living thing if they had need of.

Just because we can, should we? Many athletes to promote their health and performance use the term "eating clean". Through modern day scientific knowledge we know the diseases and parasites we can catch from eating pork, flesh and other creatures; as well as proper cooking temperatures and hygiene, refrigeration, and safe canning methods . We know the risks associated with animal fats, cholesterol, heart problems, obesity, digestion problems, etc. As with everything consumed, there's moderation and variety. We know a strict diet of lobster or Big Mac's are not healthy and what it eventually leads to.

Now with all my preceding banter out of the way:

Um, beef, it's what's for dinner 

Your last sentence conveys a great deal. When Richard Wurmbrand was imprisoned for 14 years in then Communist Romania, he was given urinated-upon cabbage twice a day, and one slice of rotten bread a week---which he gave as a tithe to those hungrier than he.  He said he dutifully ate every last drop. As he forced one bite down after another, each he took, reminding himself that one morsel reminded him of his brother in England eating a delicious bite of steak; another reminded him of his brother in America swallowing a piece of juicy pork. 

We eat what we are blessed to have. Some starve to death. Blessings to you.