IS ALL SIN FORGIVEN ?

[Behold]

5 hours ago, maryjayne said:

Thank you. However, I was quoting @douge and directly asking him as he is the one who is saying that nothing of the New Testament is for gentiles. I still havent heard from him on this question.

Yes i know.

 

[douge]

On 3/16/2020 at 12:25 PM, johnthebaptist said:

Does Jesus stipulate that? When Jesus issues a command, I feel I best obey.

Jesus said he was sent only to Israel in Matthew 15:24

[douge]

On 3/16/2020 at 12:27 PM, maryjayne said:

Is the any part of the new testament you think is for Gentiles?

No, the new testament was for the redemption of Israel's transgressions under the first testament (Hebrews 9:15).

Christ revealed to Paul that the blood of the new testament is applied to all who believe in his redemption (Romans 3:22-26)

[johnthebaptist]

2 hours ago, douge said:

Jesus said he was sent only to Israel in Matthew 15:24

Jesus is my Lord. I try to do what he said to do.

[douge]

On 3/16/2020 at 12:57 PM, maryjayne said:

I was asking @douge as every thread of his I read seems to be telling us that nothing is for Gentiles, not even Revelations. So I just wondered, as you do, where gentiles fit into Gods plan, according to him.

 

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First of all you have misunderstood, understandably, that  I have not been saying nothing is for the Gentiles. I have been trying to convey that to understand the Bible, it must be rightly divided. There is a purpose of God for Israel, that differs from the Gentiles. We have to discern that what is given to Israel in scripture can not be directly applied to the church today, the body of Christ. It really comes down to discerning which scriptures applies to Israel, which to the believing remnant of Israel, which to the Gentiles, and which to the believing Gentiles.

To answer your question, Gentiles in times past, could acknowledge the God of Israel and become proselytes (Exodus 12:48).

Gentiles in the new testament dispensation for Israel could believe and become part of the remnant of Israel (Acts 10:45).

Jew and Gentile, both, can now be justified freely by the redemption of Christ Jesus and be placed into the body of Christ (Romans 3:22-26). 

[douge]

On 3/16/2020 at 4:45 PM, Willa said:

God said it, I believe it, that settles it.  Some say only those sins that were not intentional are forgiven as well.  But that was the old testament pattern.  Hebrews tells us that we have a better covenant, a better high priest and a better sacrifice, all of which can forgive all our sins and give us a clean conscience.

Heb 10:10  And by that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.  Heb 10:11  And every priest stands daily at his service, offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins.

Heb 10:12  But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God,  Heb 10:13  waiting from that time until his enemies should be made a footstool for his feet.  Heb 10:14  For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified. Heb 10:15  And the Holy Spirit also bears witness to us; for after saying, Heb 10:16  "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws on their hearts, and write them on their minds," Heb 10:17  then he adds, "I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more."

 

 

I was with you here when you said "God said it, I believe it, that settles it.  Some say only those sins that were not intentional are forgiven as well.  But that was the old testament pattern."

Christ is High Priest, but to Israel only. Everything you quoted in Hebrews, is for Israel....if you would like to consider this...let me know.

We are members of his body and Christ is our head (Colossians 1:18).

[douge]

7 hours ago, maryjayne said:

how about quoting the whole passage, which shows that He may well have been sent only to Israel, but thats not where He stayed. He chose to also speak to others who were Gentiles, as that passage shows. God goes where He will:

 

Matthew 15:21-28 New International Version (NIV)

The Faith of a Canaanite Woman:

21 Leaving that place, Jesus withdrew to the region of Tyre and Sidon. 22 A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is demon-possessed and suffering terribly.”

23 Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, “Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.”

24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”

25 The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said.

26 He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”

27 “Yes it is, Lord,” she said. “Even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master’s table.”

28 Then Jesus said to her, “Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.” And her daughter was healed at that moment.

 

I was only stating what was pertinent at the time, and was not deceptive.

As far as your post here....Jesus was sent only to Israel. Of course later on he told the twelve to go into all the world.

As far as the Gentiles he blessed, and the women in Matthew 15 you cited.....they were blessed because they had faith, which Israel, as a whole, did not, and because they acknowledged Israel and the God of Israel as promised in Genesis 12:3

 

[douge]

7 hours ago, maryjayne said:

OK, so you say no part of the Bible, no salvation is available or applicable to Gentiles.

Not at all

I posted earlier, the Gentiles could always come to God.

The Gentiles , have, by the revelation that Christ gave Paul, revealed that the Gentiles could be of the same body, that is to say the church, the body of Christ (Ephesians 3:6) and be seated in heavenly places with Christ (Ephesians 2:6)

[douge]

5 hours ago, johnthebaptist said:

Jesus is my Lord. I try to do what he said to do.

I get that.

It is found in the books of Paul.

I would be glad to discuss this any time.

[johnthebaptist]

1 minute ago, douge said:

I get that.

It is found in the books of Paul.

I would be glad to discuss this any time.

If there is a conflict between something Paul says and something Jesus says, I go with Jesus.