John Robinson Posted March 24, 2020 Group: Senior Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 22 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 903 Content Per Day: 0.20 Reputation: 516 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/01/2011 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/03/1952 Share Posted March 24, 2020 (edited) To me all this back and forth argle-bargle about guns is meaningless. As an Army vet I was well trained in combat weaponry, and I'm still fully cognizant about which end of the tube the round comes out of. Should someone threaten my wife or family with deadly force, my answer will be swift, competent, and final. Edited March 24, 2020 by John Robinson Spelling 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desopixi Seilynam Posted March 24, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,002 Content Per Day: 0.64 Reputation: 304 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/12/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted March 24, 2020 (edited) 36 minutes ago, HAZARD said: You are, by saying this, accusing God of being the author of sin, sickness and disease. God planned to send His Son to suffer and die. Those who killed Him sinned, did they not? If God did not give us free will, then there would not be any real sin. He does not author it, He allows it; let's it happen. Edited March 24, 2020 by Desopixi Seilynam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desopixi Seilynam Posted March 24, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,002 Content Per Day: 0.64 Reputation: 304 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/12/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted March 24, 2020 38 minutes ago, HAZARD said: God did not plan for Lucifer to rebel. He didn't? God was surprised when Lucifer rebelled? Or was Lucifer created to be the enemy? A created vessel of dishonor? There are vessels of honor and vessels of dishonor, but each vessel is given free will and therefore can choose to be honorable or dishonorable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted March 24, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 598 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,134 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,859 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted March 24, 2020 12 hours ago, HAZARD said: There is no getting away from the fact, that Jesus told His disciples to arm themselves, in case they are attacked by thieves or robbers when He sent them out to preach, with out Him. They were on their own. They actually had swords when one said, we have two, Christ said that's enough. No different to any group going out into hostile territory and having two firearms for self protection and defence. amen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAZARD Posted March 24, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 320 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 6,830 Content Per Day: 0.84 Reputation: 3,570 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/16/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted March 24, 2020 17 hours ago, Desopixi Seilynam said: God planned to send His Son to suffer and die. Those who killed Him sinned, did they not? If God did not give us free will, then there would not be any real sin. He does not author it, He allows it; let's it happen. We know God allows it, but He did not create sin, sickness and disease. God planned to send His Son if Adam and Eve if they chose to believe the devil, which unfortunately they did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 APECTIC Posted March 24, 2020 Group: Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 8 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/24/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted March 24, 2020 Those who save their lives will lose it and those who lose their lives will save it and live by the sword die by the sword, you need to believe and not fear. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vic66 Posted March 25, 2020 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 31 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 649 Content Per Day: 0.20 Reputation: 200 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted March 25, 2020 (edited) On 3/24/2020 at 1:13 AM, LadyKay said: I don't like the ideal that because one buys a gun with the reasoning for protection of themselves or their family, that that is a sign that they do not have faith in what God can do. Rather or not to own a gun as a Christian is a personal choice. To judge a fellow Christians faith on this is simply wrong. I believe that God can and is able to keep me safe. But I still lock my doors at night and put on my seatbelt when I drive. So that is what I have to say about that. There faith is in their own strength and access to firearms not God Also in runs contrary to scripture of over coming evil with good, and all who live by the sword will perish by the sword . Edited March 25, 2020 by vic66 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vic66 Posted March 25, 2020 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 31 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 649 Content Per Day: 0.20 Reputation: 200 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted March 25, 2020 (edited) On 3/23/2020 at 1:36 AM, vic66 said: after Christ resurrection their is no record of any apostle of Christ using weapons to resist their enemies they commended their lives to Christ Christ and the apostle are God's greater revelation and light to man in the grace age and they didn,t encourage violent resistances. Stephen is a great example of this. They drew stephen out of the city and stoned him to death for preaching the gospel of Christ and he didnt throw a stone back. (Great example) what a great sermon he preached that day even christ stood up. Now Stephen is awaiting the resurrection great hero of Faith to fellow, not easy, but great faith. Edited March 25, 2020 by vic66 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Robinson Posted March 25, 2020 Group: Senior Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 22 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 903 Content Per Day: 0.20 Reputation: 516 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/01/2011 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/03/1952 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Again, there is a world of difference in a man choosing to be a martyr for the faith, and a man standing idly by while a rapist violates his wife. The first man is a hero, the other is a vile coward. If someone can't tell the difference, then I'm at a loss to explain it. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jostler Posted March 25, 2020 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 25 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,679 Content Per Day: 1.39 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 16 Joined: 01/19/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted March 25, 2020 12 hours ago, vic66 said: Christ and the apostle are God's greater revelation and light to man in the grace age and they didn,t encourage violent resistances. Stephen is a great example of this. They drew stephen out of the city and stoned him to death for preaching the gospel of Christ and he didnt throw a stone back. (Great example) what a great sermon he preached that day even christ stood up. Now Stephen is awaiting the resurrection great hero of Faith to fellow, not easy, but great faith. i pity your wife and children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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