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10 minutes ago, NotAllThere said:

"Begotten not created". But the really important bit is "Oh come let us adore him".

 

To say the Son was begotten is to say before he was begotten he didn’t exist in the father. Which we know that wasn’t and is not true. So what was begotten if he already existed without a name in (Yahweh)? 

It’s not until there’s a division or a separation that takes place that we distinguish a son being begotten of the father. Before the separation Yahweh was not a father. Yahweh made himself a father so that he could begat the state of the son. 
The son always existed in Yahweh without the name of a son.

This is Yahweh’s condescension to mans puny fleshly mind.


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13 minutes ago, Eddy Crocker said:

To say the Son was begotten is to say before he was begotten he didn’t exist in the father.

Actually its to say that  the Word , was manifested as "God in the Flesh".

Jesus is The WORD made flesh.  Jesus, (Emmanuel) " God with us" Literally, in a Body.

Pre-incarnate as the WORD and Incarnated as Jesus as "God manifested in the Flesh".

He's also the BREAD come down from Heaven, which means He was the Bread before He gave his Literal  Body on the Cross,  to later be eaten symbolically as "do this in Remembrance of ME"""

God is A Spirit, and Jesus has A Body, and both are "God".

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7 hours ago, Willa said:

Act 26:19  "Therefore, King Agrippa, I was not disobedient to the heavenly vision,

Act 26:20  but declared first to those in Damascus and in Jerusalem, and throughout all the region of Judea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent, turn to God, and do works befitting repentance.

Paul claimed that he also preached repentance.

 

The Book Of John, the very Book that Established Christians most frequently use to guide New Christians and those people “ sitting on the fence” to read.The recommended Book for people who have never picked up a Bible......it does not contain the word “ repentance” one single time .Yet John uses the word “ Believe” over one hundred times. What’s up with that? A Book that contains John3:16 and other Salvation verses that leaves out such an “ essential” part of Salvation as Repentance? It just does not make sense.......

Here is an explanation .....People automatically assume any time the word “ Repent” is used, it means “ repent from sins” Not so.That phrase , attached to Salvation , is nowhere to be found in the KJV. If God  says “ repent of sins”—- by all means , do it. But the Bible never says “ Repent of sins to be saved.”

Nobody will be saved without repenting ,but we have to realize what the word means.I have pointed it out many times and so have others.The Greek Word “ metanoia” that the Translators called “ repentance   means literally “ mind change.” Everybody who is Hell-Bound due to being a Non-Believer in regard to who Jesus is and what He did for us at the Cross ,  must “ change their mind”about this.They must Believe that Jesus was God in Flesh that died for for the Sins Of the World by the Finished Work Of The Cross and that three days later He arose from the dead .THAT is the Gospel That Saves.

In a nutshell, one can “ repent of their sins” and NEVER become a Believer.On the other hand , if one has TURNED from Unbelief in Jesus and His Gospel to a Belief in Jesus and His Gospel they have automatically undergone the “ change of mind” or Repentance That Salvation requires .John never had to mention Repentance.....its Built-In with Belief.Remember— one can repent without Believing, but if you became a Believer after being an Unbeliever—— you have Repented automatically.  

 

 

 

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