Prayer Is a Dialogue

[johnthebaptist]

30 minutes ago, Behold said:

Let me ask you some questions.

How "good" do you think the Righteousness of God IS,  regarding being sinless and perfect?

How about the Righteousness of Christ?

Do you feel that their Righteousness rates as "good"?.....

Well, if a person is born again, its BECAUSE God has given them, His very Righteousness.

So, how good does that make all the born again in God's perspective?

 

God is perfect. 

Jesus is God in flesh, I believe. He was showing us the way.

Are you trying to trap me? Jesus said said only God is good (Mark 10:18), so only God is good.

God has given us his righteousness?  He will forgive us, but we need to repent of our sin. Why? Because Jesus told us to (Matt 4:17).

[johnthebaptist]

18 minutes ago, Behold said:

No need.

Paul was a "chosen vessel".  He had a specific call. He finished the work and the will of God that God chose him to do.

He actually accomplished more then all the other Apostles combined, including writing about 75% of the NT.

He was once stoned to death, and saw Heaven, then was brought back to Life by God's power, and went on to do a lot more.

He died having his head chopped off, probably praising God, as that AXE took his last breath.

Many people who feel the call of God, feel it after becoming very connected to Paul on a mystical level, is the best way i can explain it.

Many others feel the call after sitting under the teaching of a Pastor or similar, who was also very connected to Paul.

You mentioned David Jeremiah.  Well, he's a deep deep student of the Apostle Paul's teaching and talks about him a LOT.

 

 

I follow Jesus, God in flesh, blindly. I don't follow Paul blindly.

[Behold]

21 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said:

 

God has given us his righteousness?  He will forgive us, but we need to repent of our sin. Why? Because Jesus told us to (Matt 4:17).

 

Listen, if you are going to go farther into the revelation of God, you have to understand a key.

One of the basic keys to "rightly dividing" the word, which is what GOD told you to do,  (Paul again), Is that you have to understand something... and that is......just as you have an Old Testament, you Have a New One.

The Old Testament foretold and somewhat revealed the coming of Messiah, and the NT fully revealed the Son of God.

And what this means is.... when you are reading verses that are written before the Crucifixion, you can't always try to make them APPLY to How the NEW COVENANT operates.

You do this a lot.  Even your chosen alt name is not related to  Grace, or even Salvation.

You have this idea that the word "repent" is somehow The Cross Itself, as if repenting is WHY God saves and WHY you go to heaven.

Its not.

Think of it like this.  Take Jesus off the Cross, and put Him back in to Heaven, having never died.

Now, repent and repent and repent and repent and repent.....and are you going to Heaven by doing that?  NO you are not...So, you have to begin to see that Jesus is Salvation, not repenting.

You can't repent your way into heaven.. You can only be born again INTO God's Spirit, = that is your entrance.

 So notice that this verse in Matthew that seems to be your life verse, is given before the Blood of the NEW COVENANT was SHED on the CROSS.

I know you dont see this yet, but, there is no reason you can't begin to find your way there.

When you are trying to understand "Salvation"....one of the ways to SEE IT, is just put Jesus back in Heaven and then look at all the STUFF you are doing that can't get you into heaven.

Once you SEE THAT, you  are finally beginning to  SEE the Light. 

First steps 1st.

Edited April 20, 2020 by Behold

[warrior12]

10 hours ago, johnthebaptist said:

I’m sure Charles Stanley’s sermon this morning was a rerun, due to the coronavirus, but I thought it was as awfully good one. He reminded us that we are to pray unceasingly (1 Thess 5:17) and pointed out prayer is a dialogue, not a monologue.  

Ok, two questions JTB.

1. Do you agree with Mr. Stanley statement  and if you do, how would you describe a dialogue with God in your own words ?.

2. Do  you think the bible contain any errors within the sixty six books ?.  

 

[johnthebaptist]

8 minutes ago, warrior12 said:

Ok, two questions JTB.

1. Do you agree with Mr. Stanley statement  and if you do, how would you describe a dialogue with God in your own words ?.

2. Do  you think the bible contain any errors within the sixty six books ?.  

 

1. Yes, I agree with Charles Stanley, that we should pray constantly, and that prayer is a dialogue, not a monologue. We talk to the Lord and listen to what he tells us.

2. Errors? If you are referring to Paul's letters, I think Paul's letters are genuine.

[johnthebaptist]

46 minutes ago, Behold said:

 

Listen, if you are going to go farther into the revelation of God, you have to understand a key.

One of the basic keys to "rightly dividing" the word, which is what GOD told you to do,  (Paul again), Is that you have to understand something... and that is......just as you have an Old Testament, you Have a New One.

The Old Testament foretold and somewhat revealed the coming of Messiah, and the NT fully revealed the Son of God.

And what this means is.... when you are reading verses that are written before the Crucifixion, you can't always try to make them APPLY to How the NEW COVENANT operates.

You do this a lot.  Even your chosen alt name is not related to  Grace, or even Salvation.

You have this idea that the word "repent" is somehow The Cross Itself, as if repenting is WHY God saves and WHY you go to heaven.

Its not.

Think of it like this.  Take Jesus off the Cross, and put Him back in to Heaven, having never died.

Now, repent and repent and repent and repent and repent.....and are you going to Heaven by doing that?  NO you are not...So, you have to begin to see that Jesus is Salvation, not repenting.

You can't repent your way into heaven.. You can only be born again INTO God's Spirit, = that is your entrance.

 So notice that this verse in Matthew that seems to be your life verse, is given before the Blood of the NEW COVENANT was SHED on the CROSS.

I know you dont see this yet, but, there is no reason you can't begin to find your way there.

When you are trying to understand "Salvation"....one of the ways to SEE IT, is just put Jesus back in Heaven and then look at all the STUFF you are doing that can't get you into heaven.

Once you SEE THAT, you  are finally beginning to  SEE the Light. 

First steps 1st.

You will never understand the Lord till you do what he says. His words are a roadmap to peace and fulfillment, but if we don't follow the path he lays out, we won't find the treasure.

[warrior12]

3 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said:

1. Yes, I agree with Charles Stanley, that we should pray constantly, and that prayer is a dialogue, not a monologue. We talk to the Lord and listen to what he tells us.

2. Errors? If you are referring to Paul's letters, I think Paul's letters are genuine.

So when a comedian goes up and does a performance to an audience is that not termed a monologue.  The people in the audience is listening while he does his thing.  So, is not what you state a monologue really.  Dialogue is really verbal words exchanged between two persons.   Some people say they have dialogue with God. I myself have not , but that is what I understand dialogue to be.  So, you can further clarify what you mean by your answer if you choose.

The second question, I specify the entire bible .  Do you think it contain errors.    

On that note with Paul, you think his letters are genuine, but you have doubts about if what they said are correct and inspired and or directed by God .  Shoot straight and let's have a dialogue, not those one liners you give.  Express your true thoughts about these spiritual matters.  

[johnthebaptist]

9 minutes ago, warrior12 said:

So when a comedian goes up and does a performance to an audience is that not termed a monologue.  The people in the audience is listening while he does his thing.  So, is not what you state a monologue really.  Dialogue is really verbal words exchanged between two persons.   Some people say they have dialogue with God. I myself have not , but that is what I understand dialogue to be.  So, you can further clarify what you mean by your answer if you choose.

The second question, I specify the entire bible .  Do you think it contain errors.    

On that note with Paul, you think his letters are genuine, but you have doubts about if what they said are correct and inspired and or directed by God .  Shoot straight and let's have a dialogue, not those one liners you give.  Express your true thoughts about these spiritual matters.  

I have discussed Paul as much as I'd like to for the moment.

You have to learn to listen to God. We spend a lifetime trying to better understand him, it would seem to me. Remember, we are to be in constant prayer (1 Thess 5:17).

 

[warrior12]

2 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said:

I have discussed Paul as much as I'd like to for the moment.

You have to learn to listen to God. We spend a lifetime trying to better understand him, it would seem to me. Remember, we are to be in constant prayer (1 Thess 5:17).

 

End of discussion.  You are playing with words, rather than being genuine in understanding what the believer or persons who reads the bible comprehend and forms his theology.  I for one is not trying to trap you as I see you asked another poster, but is trying to understand how you come to your conclusions about things you seem to have difference of beliefs. That's all.

You ask questions, and when you are question you give answers usually with few words on your expression or thoughts, so that one has to keep prodding to get a meaningful answer.  That is immature and no further discussion from me with that type of dialogue.

I like you as a poster and brother, but your vague answers is too wearisome to carry a discussion.  

[johnthebaptist]

10 minutes ago, warrior12 said:

End of discussion.  You are playing with words, rather than being genuine in understanding what the believer or persons who reads the bible comprehend and forms his theology.  I for one is not trying to trap you as I see you asked another poster, but is trying to understand how you come to your conclusions about things you seem to have difference of beliefs. That's all.

You ask questions, and when you are question you give answers usually with few words on your expression or thoughts, so that one has to keep prodding to get a meaningful answer.  That is immature and no further discussion from me with that type of dialogue.

I like you as a poster and brother, but your vague answers is too wearisome to carry a discussion.  

Until you develop a personal relationship with the Lord, I don't think you will find the way. Pray constantly (1 Thess 5:17).