Mary Was Just A Woman

[Assisi]

Horizoneast...never underestimate the lengths that the Jesuits will take to destroy Protestantism and true Christianity.  I guarantee that there are Dominican, Malta, and Opus Dei Knights and Jesuit spies infiltrating Christian forums.  No question in my mind.  After all, that is what they are paid for, isn't it???

God bless,

Michael.

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U.S. Civil War & Assassination of President Lincoln

Lincoln was assassinated by the Jesuits for two reasons. 1) For defending, while still a lawyer, Charles Chiniquy, a renegade Canadian priest who had founded a community in Illinois. Chiniquy was the target of repeated Vatican attacks for breaking with the Church. Lincoln won the case. 2) For foiling the Confederacy in the Civil War, a Jesuit engineered, Vatican backed plot to destroy the U.S. After Lincoln won the Civil War, the Vatican exacted its revenge. Not surprisingly, John Wilkes Booth wore a medal of the Virgin Mary around his neck. Jack Chick

Anti-Catholicism and the Know-Nothings

In the early part of the 19th century a group of Americans who were opposed to the immigration of Irish and German Catholics in the United States formed a secret society officially known as the Order of United Americans. Whenever a member was asked about the group, he would say, "I know nothing." Thus they became known as the "Know-Nothings." They accepted into their group only native-born Protestants who were unrelated to Catholics either by blood or marriage. Their movement to stop the flood of Catholic immigrants is known as nativism.

New Vatican in Ohio?

By 1825 over 100 periodicals were being published in the United States; 75% of them were religious and half of those were anti-Catholic. The nativists produced a vast amount of propaganda against the Catholic Church in the first half of the 19th century. The great number of Catholics, mostly German and Irish, moving to the Midwest caused the Know-Nothings and other nativists to think that the power of the Pope might be transferred there. Many of these anti-Catholic publications stated that Catholics were not patriotic but owed their allegiance solely to the Pope and therefore could never be true Americans. The propaganda became increasingly absurd: some articles predicted that the Pope and a papal army would land on American shores to set up a new Vatican in Cincinnati, Ohio.

No insurance for Catholics

In 1834 Lyman Beecher returned to Boston to deliver three anti-Catholic sermons in various churches on a single day. He succeeded in rallying the Protestants together and the next day a mob gathered at the Ursuline School in Charlestown, carrying banners which said, "Down with Popery" and "Down with the Cross." Fifty men broke down the doors of the convent and set everything on fire. Although the arsonists were caught, none were found guilty. Mob attacks on Catholic churches in New England soon became so frequent that insurance companies refused to insure Catholic buildings.

Beecher returned to Cincinnati and published his rabble-rousing sermon as a pamphlet called "Plea for the West." He amplified the papal plot envisaged by Morse, maintaining that Catholic schools would win converts who would ally themselves with Catholic immigrants to control the west. Many joined Beecher, allying themselves against the immigrant Catholics.

The nativist presence under the leadership of Lyman Beecher in Cincinnati prompted the bishop of that city to erect a new cathedral which became the tallest building west of the Allegheny River at the time. The cathedral was designed without windows in the lower walls, rather only solid stone some 45 feet high to protect against anyone throwing bombs into the building as had been happening in the New England church burnings.

Know-Nothing president

In the 1840s the Know-Nothings became more formally organized and became politically active. By 1855 most of the state senators and representatives were affiliated with the Know-Nothings. In 1856 they even nominated a Presidential candidate, Milliard Fillmore. Bigotry against Catholics continued, especially reaching unheard of bitterness in the national elections of 1856 when Abraham Lincoln wrote

"If the Know-Nothings get control, the Declaration of Independence will read: All men are created equal except for,Catholics Negroes,and foreigners ."

Wow Jack Chick said the Jesuits assassinated Linclon.

It doesent take an intellectual to see that Lincoln viewed all men as equal and was protecting Catholics and that you get your anti Catholic literature from Jack Chick.

[Pax]

[Horizon,

I wish I had some time to address this issue of petra and petros but I am working to many hours.

[Ovedya]

Horizoneast...never underestimate the lengths that the Jesuits will take to destroy Protestantism and true Christianity.  I guarantee that there are Dominican, Malta, and Opus Dei Knights and Jesuit spies infiltrating Christian forums.  No question in my mind.  After all, that is what they are paid for, isn't it???

God bless,

Michael.

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Did you know that some of what remains as orthodox Christian thought originally came from the Jesuits?

[halifaxchristian]

Halifax,

You know you seem to simply use the Scriptures as you see fit.

Edited July 31, 2005 by halifaxchristian

[halifaxchristian]

Here is the Catholic's one and only "Pope" verse. They base their whole Church on this one Scripture (which someone will probably deny of course). If it falters, the whole system of theirs does too (at least, it isn't a good start for them, seeing they hold this verse in such high regard). Let's see if this "direct" statement to Peter is really interpretable as Smalcald sees it, or at least as the Pope does anyway. Here it is:

"And I (Jesus) say unto thee (Peter), That thou art Peter and upon THIS ROCK..."

Let's stop for a minute. If Jesus was talking directly to PETER, as you (smalcald) say...why doesn't Jesus say, 'thou art peter and upon you...'? Did Jesus change his audience mid-way through this sentence? 'You are Peter' (speaking to Peter) 'and upon this rock' (speaking to someone else now?)... This scenario just doesn't make sense.

BUT...

If Jesus was talking about Himself when referring to 'this Rock', would that make more sense? Let's see...

"And I say unto thee, That thou art Peter (speaking to Peter of course) and upon THIS ROCK (still speaking to Peter, but now about HIMSELF) I will build My church."-Matthew 16:18

Ask yourself this question...Does Jesus saying "THIS ROCK" sound more like He is talking to Peter, or talking ABOUT HIMSELF?

"You are Smalcald and to this person I make inquisition"

"You are Smalcald and to you I make inquisition"

Which sounds more like regular conversation???

[halifaxchristian]

Horizoneast...never underestimate the lengths that the Jesuits will take to destroy Protestantism and true Christianity.

[halifaxchristian]

Horizoneast...never underestimate the lengths that the Jesuits will take to destroy Protestantism and true Christianity.

[Ovedya]

Horizoneast...never underestimate the lengths that the Jesuits will take to destroy Protestantism and true Christianity.

[other one]

Horizoneast...never underestimate the lengths that the Jesuits will take to destroy Protestantism and true Christianity.

[Matthitjah]

Grace to you,

This Thread has run 30 pages. It is way off the beaten path and has taken many turns and twists. It is now fast approaching conspiracy's.

I think at this point it is well to close it. The arguments have been made on the point of Mary. Let the reader seek the Lord and His opinion through Scripture. Which is good for reproof and correction.

2Ti