missmuffet Posted May 14, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,993 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,691 Content Per Day: 11.75 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted May 14, 2020 (edited) It is the raptured Church. So those who were raptured are already in heaven during the 7 year tribulation. Question: "Who are the twenty-four (24) elders in Revelation?" Answer: Revelation 4:4 declares, “Surrounding the throne were twenty-four other thrones, and seated on them were twenty-four elders. They were dressed in white and had crowns of gold on their heads.” The book of Revelation nowhere specifically identifies who the twenty-four elders are. However, they are most likely representative of the Church. It is unlikely that they are angelic beings, as some suggest. The fact that they sit on thrones indicates that they reign with Christ. Nowhere in Scripture do angels ever rule or sit on thrones. The Church, however, is repeatedly said to rule and reign with Christ (Revelation 2:26-27, 5:10, 20:4; Matthew 19:28; Luke 22:30). In addition, the Greek word translated here as “elders” is never used to refer to angels, only to men, particularly to men of a certain age who are mature and able to rule the Church. The word elder would be inappropriate to refer to angels, who do not age. Their mode of dress would also indicate these are men. While angels do appear in white, white garments are more commonly found on believers, symbolizing Christ’s righteousness imputed to us at salvation (Revelation 3:5,18; 19:8). The golden crowns worn by the elders also indicate these are men, not angels. Crowns are never promised to angels, nor are angels ever seen wearing them. The word translated “crown” here refers to the victor’s crown, worn by those who have successfully competed and won the victory, as Christ promised (Revelation 2:10; 2 Timothy 4:8; James 1:12). Some people believe these twenty-four elders represent Israel, but at the time of this vision, Israel as a whole nation had not yet been redeemed. The elders cannot represent tribulation saints for the same reason—not all had yet been converted at the time of John’s vision. The most likely option is that the elders represent the raptured Church which sings songs of redemption (Revelation 5:8-10). They wear the crowns of victory and have gone to the place prepared for them by their Redeemer (John 14:1-4). https://www.gotquestions.org/24-elders.html Edited May 15, 2020 by missmuffet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steward George Posted May 14, 2020 Group: Steward Followers: 110 Topic Count: 10,466 Topics Per Day: 1.25 Content Count: 27,800 Content Per Day: 3.33 Reputation: 15,527 Days Won: 130 Joined: 06/30/2001 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/21/1971 Steward Share Posted May 14, 2020 Honestly, if the Bible doesn't detail the answer, the best thing is to NOT answer ... and take it for what it is. There are 24 elders. Usually its situations like this in Scripture and its relationahip to prophecy that can bring some intense discussions. Its like the 7 thunders .... 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted May 14, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,993 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,691 Content Per Day: 11.75 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 14, 2020 59 minutes ago, George said: Honestly, if the Bible doesn't detail the answer, the best thing is to NOT answer ... and take it for what it is. There are 24 elders. Usually its situations like this in Scripture and its relationahip to prophecy that can bring some intense discussions. Its like the 7 thunders .... How would someone " take it for what it is"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted May 14, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.22 Reputation: 9,763 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted May 14, 2020 41 minutes ago, missmuffet said: How would someone " take it for what it is"? By not trying to figure out who they are, just that there are 24 elders. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Hartono Posted May 14, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 777 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 6,955 Content Per Day: 3.05 Reputation: 1,985 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/15/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted May 14, 2020 Surely they hv won the crown n given place at Throne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted May 14, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,993 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,691 Content Per Day: 11.75 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 14, 2020 14 minutes ago, OneLight said: By not trying to figure out who they are, just that there are 24 elders. Ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canada Posted May 15, 2020 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 183 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 43 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/04/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted May 15, 2020 This reference to "elders" could possibly refer to the 24 books of the "elder" testament. We Christians consider the OT to consist of 39 books, but the Jew considers their "elder" testament to consist of 24 books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frienduff thaylorde Posted May 15, 2020 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 17 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 13,256 Content Per Day: 5.29 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 62 Joined: 07/07/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/25/1972 Share Posted May 15, 2020 not for sure . but i lean real heavy on it being the twelve apostels and the original twelve tribes , them . IF we notice it talks about the city and twelve tribes and twelve apostels . that is what i lean on it being . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canada Posted May 15, 2020 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 183 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 43 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/04/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted May 15, 2020 The 24 "elders" to the Jew: Genesis Exodus Leviticus Numbers Deuteronomy The 8 Books of the Prophets The 11 Books of the Writings ... Psalms to Chronicles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael37 Posted May 15, 2020 Group: Servant Followers: 21 Topic Count: 245 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 7,029 Content Per Day: 3.28 Reputation: 4,941 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/05/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/23/1954 Share Posted May 15, 2020 7 hours ago, canada said: This reference to "elders" could possibly refer to the 24 books of the "elder" testament. We Christians consider the OT to consist of 39 books, but the Jew considers their "elder" testament to consist of 24 books. There is quite a good analogy for the 24 elders of Revelation in 1 Chronicles 24:4-19, which details 24 governors of the sanctuary and house of God. This analogy is rather apt given the song the 24 elders in Revelation sing: Rev 5:8-10 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. (9) And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; (10) And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. 1Ch 24:4-19 And there were more chief men found of the sons of Eleazar than of the sons of Ithamar; and thus were they divided. Among the sons of Eleazar there were sixteen chief men of the house of their fathers, and eight among the sons of Ithamar according to the house of their fathers. (5) Thus were they divided by lot, one sort with another; for the governors of the sanctuary, and governors of the house of God, were of the sons of Eleazar, and of the sons of Ithamar. (6) And Shemaiah the son of Nethaneel the scribe, one of the Levites, wrote them before the king, and the princes, and Zadok the priest, and Ahimelech the son of Abiathar, and before the chief of the fathers of the priests and Levites: one principal household being taken for Eleazar, and one taken for Ithamar. (7) Now the first lot came forth to Jehoiarib, the second to Jedaiah, (8) The third to Harim, the fourth to Seorim, (9) The fifth to Malchijah, the sixth to Mijamin, (10) The seventh to Hakkoz, the eighth to Abijah, (11) The ninth to Jeshua, the tenth to Shecaniah, (12) The eleventh to Eliashib, the twelfth to Jakim, (13) The thirteenth to Huppah, the fourteenth to Jeshebeab, (14) The fifteenth to Bilgah, the sixteenth to Immer, (15) The seventeenth to Hezir, the eighteenth to Aphses, (16) The nineteenth to Pethahiah, the twentieth to Jehezekel, (17) The one and twentieth to Jachin, the two and twentieth to Gamul, (18) The three and twentieth to Delaiah, the four and twentieth to Maaziah. (19) These were the orderings of them in their service to come into the house of the LORD, according to their manner, under Aaron their father, as the LORD God of Israel had commanded him. The number 24 speaks of priesthood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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